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welcome to tales from the rabbit hole

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I'm your host Mick West today's guest is

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JM talbo who runs the website 911

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debunkers dot blog spot.com which is

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devoted to debunking the claim of the

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debunkers of the 9/11 truth movement I

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guess welcome welcome to tell us in the

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rabbit-hole

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jam hey thanks for having me sir I was

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really fascinated to look at your your

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your blog in your extensive list of

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websites you had rather a lot of

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websites if you click on your profile

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link yeah his my 30 websites at all

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kinds of different topics like you got a

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bunch of analytical ones and you got

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some on the supernatural and you got

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some on on you know obviously the 9/11

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one is the one we more interested in

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talking about today can you tell me how

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you kind of got started like a in 9/11

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truth movement and B in doing blogging

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about it and getting so so involved in

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the employment yeah it was around 2004 I

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saw a film called American Empire

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something I don't know it was kind of a

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leftist type of film pretty much against

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the Bush administration in trying to tie

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them into 9/11 whatnot but that got me

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asking questions and then I saw Michael

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Moore's film Fahrenheit 9/11 so I kind

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of had a slow burn

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it wasn't like straight into loose

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change or anything like that so I got

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into all that and it was about 2008

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right after the district court on World

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Trade Center seven that I actually

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started blogging on on the topic I'd

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been an activist for like four years

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to some extent before that but I never

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went public with it so so that's

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basically how it happened for me um I

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just won one day I just decided I wanted

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to talk about it publicly it took a long

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time for me to actually would to do that

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so you said you were like in it for a

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couple of years before that was anything

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basically you do research or was it

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grant were you interacting with other

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people movie I interacted with some

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activists there I put out some fliers

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for

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things like that but uh but the most

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part I was doing research I remember

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sitting down and listening to Alex Jones

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and he mentioned that he had a archive

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of information on 9/11 and it was all

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mainstream sources and to check it out

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for yourself so I sat down one Saturday

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and I went through the entire list and

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looked at all the articles and I started

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to realize because when I first heard

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him I thought he was absolutely nuts I

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said this guy can't be right there must

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be nothing to this and I wasn't a fan of

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the Bush administration but I didn't

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think they would have anything to do

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with 9/11 or that there could possibly

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be any government involvement but the

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more I looked at things I found things

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some of it quite compelling and a lot of

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it I found compelling at the time that I

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don't find compelling now you had

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mentioned that my blog debunked the

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debunkers that was the original intent

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but I don't know if you noticed there's

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a little sub headline on the on the site

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now that says refuting the hollow

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arguments of the so called the bunkers

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and nine and truthers I don't think the

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bunkers are always as much of a

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debunkers they like to think they are

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and I don't think truthers are as much

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truthers as I like to think they are I

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would hope we were all just after the

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truth in the end yeah that's what I

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think yeah that is reading a blog that

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yeah you're not like a party-line type

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person you're not just doing you know

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whatever the truth movement does like

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you critique some of David wait David

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Ray Griffin stuff and you know you point

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out flaws in his arguments and I'm sure

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like let's say just this is a kind of a

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a pivot point for a lot of debunkers is

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the the Pentagon and whether a plane hit

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the Pentagon and what do you feel about

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that whole that issue a plane definitely

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hit the Pentagon I used to not think so

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for a while but as more information came

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about and I looked at different

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researchers some from the truth movement

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AG Adam Taylor was on your show he's a

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friend of mine he had mentioned Jim

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Hoffman Jim Othman has always been very

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good at this subject so yeah I

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definitely stood on his shoulders was

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learning about a lot of this but but I

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wouldn't say that a lot of the truth

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movement picked up on his way of

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thinking it's went the other way quite a

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bit but yeah I think it's quite clear

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that a plane hit the Pentagon

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there's plane wreckage everywhere

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to think that somebody went and planted

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plane wreckage I mean it goes against

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Occam's razor makes no sense you're

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carrying out a conspiracy just run the

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plane into the building and there's you

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can maybe maybe you can remote control

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it maybe that's possibility I could

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maybe go there but but as far as it not

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hitting the building and then there's

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even the crazier theories that it flew

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over anybody who's been at the Pentagon

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I took a trip out there there's no way

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there's nothing but open fields and open

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sky and I would see it then you got

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saying that the phone calls were faked

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that's just you know I I know voice

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morphing technology exists but again

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it's unnecessary it's it's and it's also

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one of these things even if there was

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truth to it why would you lead with that

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why would you talk about it I feel like

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if there is any kind of conspiracy for

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9/11 pick a few good points and go with

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it I don't know why people get into

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these uh you know things that are

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offensive to people and and it's likely

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not true a lot of evidence against it

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there's been a lot of there's been

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material written refuting a rate Griffin

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and his phone call material Wow what

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else

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I don't think Judy woods theories have

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any you know there's no credence to

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those at all charlie extreme or it's

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quite a bit more yeah I mean Julia woods

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they were yeah energy beams destroyed

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the buildings which is yeah I don't

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think really something that's a large

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number of people in the truth movement

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really believe I'm sure it's probably

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less than five percent are sober it's

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one of those things that people pick up

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on but the Pentagon thing I think is

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people other people that you talk to on

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especially the online groups believe

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that we check it must be kind of

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frustrating the you know so many people

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believe something you think is so

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obviously false yeah when I went to

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Ground Zero I was debating people around

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Ground Zero I'm just having

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conversations with people even if you

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debate somebody out there people are

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filming it but I remember he was talking

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about the Pentagon stuff and you know

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what happened I'm saying hey look back

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up I don't even believe that he goes

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well you're different than 90% of the

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people out here then I said yeah you're

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right I am I'm sorry I'm a free thinkers

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there's a lot of group thing when it

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comes to 9/11 truth as well so

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yeah so now now obviously you're still a

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9/11 truther and you still mean you

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still believe that there's you know

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something happened what would you say is

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like you know how would you characterize

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your position about what you thought I

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think happens and what you think are the

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primary problems and questions around

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9/11 well like on the blog I stayed and

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I have it here as well just read but I

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wrote it I said many people

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subconsciously make the mistake of only

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seeing the issues in black and white as

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opposed to shades of grey so this is

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known as the black or white fallacy and

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in this case the false dilemma is it's

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either al-qaeda carried out 9/11 or it

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was an inside job I don't see it as a

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one or the other thing I believe that

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al-qaeda hijackers and bin Laden were

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definitely involved I just think they

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had assistance for people with inside

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the country I would say there's evidence

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that points towards rogue elements of

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intelligence apparatus both here in a

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couple other countries and and rogue

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members of the US government but I

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wouldn't put the number of people it's

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under a hundred I would think maybe much

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much less under a hundred so I don't

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think it I don't think it would require

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thousands of people being involved as

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some people say and things like that but

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I think there is very interesting

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whistleblower claims regarding prior

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knowledge you could take patty Casas oh

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she's 9/11 family members she says that

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other were members of the FBI I believe

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it was and by the way I'm gonna include

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at least on my blog I can send you a

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list but anything I mentioned I'll try

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to make a list of links that not

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necessarily back up what I say but just

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give people the sources for what I'm

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talking about so they know I'm not yeah

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but she had said that she was told that

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you know there there were people that

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knew the exact day the exact targets and

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that this was completely ignored you get

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a lot of information like that there's

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David shippers who was uh he helped

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prosecute Clinton Bill Clinton back in

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the day and he basically said the same

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thing to nafeez Ahmed who wrote the book

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the war on a little more on freedom he

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wrote another one I can't remember what

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the second one was called but basically

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that the exact day and the exact are

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we're known so you find some cooperating

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information like that which is obviously

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very interesting those whistleblowers

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weren't really spoken to by the 9/11

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Commission even though patty Kasasa was

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promised that they all would be spoken

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to so that's something that that I find

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very interesting

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NORAD's response on that day I find very

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interesting I've done a lot of research

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into NORAD and at the end of the day I

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had to debunk her ask me well what do

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you think you can prove that uh NORAD

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was involved and an inside job

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and I said no I don't think I can prove

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that I think what could be proven if

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somebody wanted to do it is criminal

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negligence at the very least and it's

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interesting that the 9/11 Commission did

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consider referring members of NORAD to

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the Justice Department because they had

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lied so bad so and they said it's one of

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those loose ends that was never really

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tied up yeah yeah kind of a great way

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demolition I agree with you on that the

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Nora thing to a degree like I think this

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this probably definitely some like yeah

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cover your ass type stuff going on and I

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part of that was just that they didn't

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failed and whether there's something

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more than that I don't really think

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there's there's you know personally I

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don't think there's strong evidence for

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and they say you can't really prove it

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but you're gonna get on to kind of

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controlled demolition yeah I mean I'm

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not an architect or an engineer I've

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written a little bit for their site but

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they always review anything I've ever

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helped with um

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but I just think in and of itself that

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there that there are so many

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professionals that are speaking out just

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it's just stepping back it's like a

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juror maybe looking at things I think

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it's it's interesting I remember I was

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watching your interview with Joe Rogan

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he mentioned you know how many

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architects and engineers are on the

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other side they just don't come out and

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speak about it publicly well we don't

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know because they really haven't outside

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of like the official reports and whatnot

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yeah but but when you look at like

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surveys of how many New Yorkers even

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knew about building seven and what I

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would say I would argue that it's

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probably pretty low the amount that even

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are up on these issues in any real sense

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well yeah I think I I talked to some

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architects engineers that are not 911

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truthers and the problem I found is that

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though they basically think it's a silly

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theory and they don't want to talk about

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it okay that I'm the guy I'm

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interviewing next after years an

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engineer who works at Ground Zero for I

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think at least six months after the

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attacks he saw the the initial attacks

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and he was worked for a big engineering

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firm there and he said to me like what I

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told him like you know I talked to 911

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truthers he said oh you must have a lot

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more patience than I do and you know

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basically they're scientists and

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engineers that I talked to were on guess

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the skeptical side but it's more like

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the a pathetic sight they just don't

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look into it because they don't find it

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interesting and I think that gets viewed

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by truthers as them being afraid of

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looking into it or the either they know

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that there's something there but they

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don't want to touch it but from my

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perspective it seems like they just

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think it's silly in the same way you

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think that Judy woods theory is silly

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they think the idea of a controlled

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demolition is silly and so they won't

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even look into it very much and that

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could be but then the question could be

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asked why they think it still isn't

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really silly on its face or has there

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been so much material bad material for

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instance like we talked about bad

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theories that makes the whole thing look

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silly or that material it's just waited

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then from it I don't know i would i

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would also say if the government would

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have just done some simple things like

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test for explosives if miss would have

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tested for exposes this would have

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perhaps helped you'll obviously people

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argue that truthers wouldn't accept it

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either way i don't happen to be one of

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them i would definitely have liked to

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have seen it happen i think you have a

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couple problems one and i could be wrong

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but i've heard from people more up on

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these things than me scientists that it

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like for conventional explosives for

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instance they would test for nitrates

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and those dissipate by now and you even

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if you had the dust you couldn't do it

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now I had I'll just say I can't say the

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name but I had a friend of Larry

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Silverstein you know who silverstein is

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I'm

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doing he told me that New York Labs did

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test for explosives I asked him to give

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me any evidence of this it was never

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provided to me if that actually happened

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I don't know I never saw any proof that

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it did but yeah I think that's that kind

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of testing should have happened yeah I

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know there was a lot of testing of the

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dust in the early days because they were

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concerned you're right from the start I

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think uh you know the effects of

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breathing in the dust

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they were like elemental analysis I

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don't know if you can you can actually

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get much from just the basic elemental

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compositions in terms of testing for

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explosives but yeah I think again here

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we could run up against the same problem

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of a perspective like you know on the

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truth Society say why didn't you test

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for explosives and on the other side to

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say well because planes flew into the

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buildings and they burned for hours and

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then class because of that it just seems

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like why would we test for explosives

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and there was no real you know from

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their mind they see the collapse of the

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towers especially as being very

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obviously from from the the planes

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because the collapse starts so the fire

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floors that were on fire now with

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building seven obviously as a bit is a

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bit less clear and people who don't know

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about building seven they will sometimes

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need to look at the video and if you

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don't know anything at all it looks like

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it's a controlled demolition so I think

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it's gonna be easier there but again the

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people who are on the ground of the day

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yeah from what I know is like you know

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the plot of them knew it was going to

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collapse because they could see the big

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hole in the side on the southwest corner

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and that it was leaning a bit and it was

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making lots of noises with laws falling

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and things and it was all these fires

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and so it wasn't a huge surprise went

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when he fell you know it was on fire

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after all and it was hit by World Trade

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Center seven so they think why would we

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test for explosives there's obvious why

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it fell so it's a problem you can never

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really get past though I think because

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if you've got people who are suspicious

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they're always gonna think that this is

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evidence of a conspiracy I mean a couple

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points but that's when you really have

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to dig in and see if things on their

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face make sense like these are priori

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assumptions or if there's really

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something more to it Adam and I for

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instance we did

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an article together where we did look at

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the building's ability to withstand jet

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liner and backs and when we did that

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what we showed is that really a lot of

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the statements that were made from

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debunkers or even Leslie Neil Leslie

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Nielsen what that's the actor that's a

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yes letter all the soffits you know he

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said he didn't see a molten metal at

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Ground Zero then videos came out that he

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did but you know it's like the debunking

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side of it seemed to argue that they

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were only designed for a slow-moving

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impact not loaded with fuel like those

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word that a 707 and a 747 are comparable

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and we showed a lot of that to not be

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correct and that what I do understand

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you know people would look at if you

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want to respond good no that's that with

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a they say it was designed to withstand

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the impact of a plane and the thing is

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he did we certain the impact of the

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plane at the they could have you know

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planes could have hit the building like

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that in three different spots and it

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would have been fine

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we wouldn't be fine if we wouldn't have

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fallen I mean he fell because of the

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fire and because of the the fireproofing

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being stripped off by the impact which

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wasn't something that really he had done

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a detailed analysis off they said

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lightly and the biggest problem would be

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the fire but I don't think they ever did

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like yeah this was back in the sixties

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when they when they designed the

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building they didn't really have the

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same you know bio simulation software

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and finite element analysis of that yeah

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detail that they were needed to be able

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to tell if it could withstand a

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sustained fire so yeah it was designed

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to withstand a jet impact and it did so

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you know I don't really I always think

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that arguments a little bit specious but

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I mean it's funny that one argument

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brings up another though then you get

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some fire [\h__\h] it's like also the

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Hartford fire proofing was required to

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be knocked off and then there's

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rebuttals of that and you know I mean

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you think that it was only designed to

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take the plane impact and then it was

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supposed to collapse in the 15 seconds

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like like it did I mean well it was

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designed to house I don't smell this

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the one the one you know he said that it

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would it would fly through it like a

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mosquito netting it withstands several

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impacts and I think said Stan and he

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meant with sting and like they would put

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the fires out then and then it would be

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there to be repaired and but in and one

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thing I like with the I know we're kind

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of getting into the weeds here a little

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bit but you just brought up the the

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insulation being knocked off and if you

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look at the steel in the pile afterwards

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it almost invariably has no insulation

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left on it

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from the collapse basically so if the

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collapse no silver bonds no the entire

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building lie everywhere on it like you

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couldn't see any any insulation anywhere

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like from this crops which only reached

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like a hundred miles an hour and then

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you've got a plane going it at 500 miles

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an hour you bound to get some insulation

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stripped off the beams and whatnot yeah

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there was the big explosion as well no

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think about anyways we're getting into

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details bigger problem is who's done

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this in detail there are better people

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when it comes to the demolition stuff I

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don't i I've done a lot more research

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more detailed research into NORAD in

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prior knowledge to be quite honest but

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Kevin Ryan's wanted to look too and then

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Adam Taylor Adam has tackled like he did

510
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a whole series for 9/11 truth debunking

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the real 9/11 mess where it's gone down

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Popular Mechanics and I'm pretty sure

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that in that series he does address the

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fire installation and gets into the

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weeds on it so it's one of those things

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I forget there was one other point I

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wanted to respond you'd said something

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about just something about the whole

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issue I don't know if you can remember

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of why or why engineers and architects

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don't get into it about it seeming silly

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there was something else you had said

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you said the whole idea that they knew

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all day it was gonna fall down I don't

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know if you wear a McQueen he has a

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paper for the Journal of 9/11 studies

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called waiting for seven he analyzes all

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that testimony from firefighters saying

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that it was going to fall that day and

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he really digs into whether most of them

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had direct observation or if just a few

532
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people made that call and it kind of

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filtered down through the ranks so so

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that's an

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interesting thing to look at is called

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waiting for 7:00 my professor grandma

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Queen and then the question is like we

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know that there was southwest corner

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damage and I think that's why the

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building slumps a lot of people in the

541
00:20:16,710 --> 00:20:15,039
truth mood don't even want to admit that

542
00:20:19,470 --> 00:20:16,720
they just came straight down and that

543
00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:19,480
said they mean to the south as long as

544
00:20:23,129 --> 00:20:20,830
it came down there was a hole in the

545
00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,139
building but like Craig partners from

546
00:20:26,999 --> 00:20:25,840
the fire department he said yeah I saw a

547
00:20:28,019 --> 00:20:27,009
hole in the building I didn't see a hole

548
00:20:30,389 --> 00:20:28,029
big enough to bring down a building

549
00:20:32,190 --> 00:20:30,399
though so you get difference of opinion

550
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:32,200
within the ranks that too and obviously

551
00:20:35,700 --> 00:20:33,610
there have been firefighters come

552
00:20:38,700 --> 00:20:35,710
forward from that day I wouldn't say

553
00:20:40,409 --> 00:20:38,710
it's a tremendous amount like like with

554
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:40,419
the architects and engineers but there

555
00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:43,090
are quite a stye knew maybe a hundred

556
00:20:47,249 --> 00:20:44,950
there might be more in a little there

557
00:20:48,899 --> 00:20:47,259
was there was their husband and FDNY

558
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:48,909
come forward that thinks things are

559
00:20:57,769 --> 00:20:52,000
strange as well so it's not just crazy

560
00:20:59,430 --> 00:20:57,779
ones I neither yeah I think within any

561
00:21:01,139 --> 00:20:59,440
profession like obviously those

562
00:21:02,909 --> 00:21:01,149
firefighters and the steel workers the

563
00:21:04,519 --> 00:21:02,919
euro is gonna find people who have like

564
00:21:06,629 --> 00:21:04,529
differing opinions and different

565
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:06,639
experiences you know a lot of people

566
00:21:12,379 --> 00:21:10,330
there on the day they heard things that

567
00:21:15,419 --> 00:21:12,389
they interpreted as being explosions

568
00:21:16,830 --> 00:21:15,429
some some of them before the towers

569
00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:16,840
collapsed and some of them while the

570
00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:19,000
towers were collapsing and some people

571
00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:21,129
even claim that they heard explosions

572
00:21:25,769 --> 00:21:23,289
before the planes hit the building which

573
00:21:27,799 --> 00:21:25,779
is an interesting one but sure right I

574
00:21:31,889 --> 00:21:27,809
think it's kind of a difficult one to

575
00:21:34,259 --> 00:21:31,899
substantiate but there's the one

576
00:21:37,919 --> 00:21:34,269
explosion where the person the fire

577
00:21:39,990 --> 00:21:37,929
department person says we got to get

578
00:21:41,730 --> 00:21:40,000
back some people think he says sevens

579
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:41,740
exploding some people think he says the

580
00:21:45,539 --> 00:21:42,970
building's exploding but they're

581
00:21:47,970 --> 00:21:45,549
definitely by World Trade Center seven

582
00:21:50,009 --> 00:21:47,980
when you listen to that explosion and

583
00:21:51,899 --> 00:21:50,019
compare it to a shape charge they sound

584
00:21:54,330 --> 00:21:51,909
very similar the thing is that's taking

585
00:21:56,249 --> 00:21:54,340
place much earlier in the day if

586
00:21:58,529 --> 00:21:56,259
building 7 was blown up people have

587
00:22:01,289 --> 00:21:58,539
proposed the idea that they that it was

588
00:22:02,999 --> 00:22:01,299
either a dud and didn't go off all at

589
00:22:04,499 --> 00:22:03,009
one time or that they had purpose like

590
00:22:06,269 --> 00:22:04,509
pre weakening throughout the day

591
00:22:08,190 --> 00:22:06,279
Barry Jennings talks about hearing

592
00:22:10,109 --> 00:22:08,200
explosions throughout the day he talks

593
00:22:11,850 --> 00:22:10,119
about stepping over bodies in the World

594
00:22:14,250 --> 00:22:11,860
Trade Center 7 which there aren't

595
00:22:17,100 --> 00:22:14,260
supposed to be any bodies yes

596
00:22:19,020 --> 00:22:17,110
for how do you guys know letting

597
00:22:21,150 --> 00:22:19,030
testament is from one guy but you can

598
00:22:24,420 --> 00:22:21,160
say this bit is correct it's like what's

599
00:22:26,430 --> 00:22:24,430
the gist name danny jowenko the the

600
00:22:28,110 --> 00:22:26,440
dutch demolition expert he said that

601
00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:28,120
building 7 was a it looked like a

602
00:22:33,180 --> 00:22:30,850
controlled demolition right but he also

603
00:22:35,730 --> 00:22:33,190
said that buildings 1 & 2 did not look

604
00:22:37,070 --> 00:22:35,740
like controlled demolition right which

605
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:37,080
they don't they don't look like they

606
00:22:42,060 --> 00:22:40,450
exploded hands could have laid he didn't

607
00:22:44,910 --> 00:22:42,070
just say it didn't look like it is that

608
00:22:46,290 --> 00:22:44,920
there was no way that they they would do

609
00:22:48,740 --> 00:22:46,300
a demolition like that because it was

610
00:22:50,790 --> 00:22:48,750
just ridiculous

611
00:22:52,830 --> 00:22:50,800
yeah it's gonna say something else I'm

612
00:22:55,370 --> 00:22:52,840
cold then you have partner on your side

613
00:22:57,540 --> 00:22:55,380
you have Janey Janey Vinko but the

614
00:23:00,030 --> 00:22:57,550
markle's oh the head of controlled

615
00:23:01,530 --> 00:23:00,040
demolition incorporate they don't think

616
00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:01,540
it was controlled demolitions they are

617
00:23:05,130 --> 00:23:03,460
demolition experts but there's also

618
00:23:06,900 --> 00:23:05,140
there's also demolition experts within

619
00:23:08,580 --> 00:23:06,910
the ranks of a mile of troops who maybe

620
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:08,590
not to the extent of those individuals

621
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:10,090
but they did demolitions for the

622
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:11,770
military for instance things like that

623
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:14,890
so yeah you get it on both sides but

624
00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:16,330
that's the thing there is a debate it's

625
00:23:21,390 --> 00:23:18,490
a legitimate debate enough I mean I

626
00:23:23,130 --> 00:23:21,400
would think just though though the whole

627
00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:23,140
Z study makes this a legitimate debate

628
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:24,880
as far as World Trade Center 7 I know

629
00:23:29,070 --> 00:23:26,410
you're not particularly impressed with

630
00:23:31,170 --> 00:23:29,080
what you see there's or it's funny

631
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:31,180
because I look at the same models that

632
00:23:34,890 --> 00:23:32,770
you look at and I see something

633
00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:34,900
different reality is not the same for

634
00:23:39,930 --> 00:23:37,560
everybody the way they view it like well

635
00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:39,940
the wood Lots on that the whole see

636
00:23:42,750 --> 00:23:41,470
bought the whole city study this is like

637
00:23:46,110 --> 00:23:42,760
a study that architects and engineers

638
00:23:47,610 --> 00:23:46,120
for 9/11 truth paid I don't know how it

639
00:23:49,230 --> 00:23:47,620
works but they paid the University of

640
00:23:52,140 --> 00:23:49,240
Alaska three hundred and sixteen

641
00:23:56,460 --> 00:23:52,150
thousand dollars to do a study like the

642
00:23:58,080 --> 00:23:56,470
finance to study and professor hull see

643
00:24:00,450 --> 00:23:58,090
there was a guy leading it and he had

644
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:00,460
two graduate students working on it one

645
00:24:05,700 --> 00:24:03,010
of whom left's half way through and they

646
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:05,710
built some models of the World Trade

647
00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:08,050
Center the investigated a variety of

648
00:24:13,230 --> 00:24:11,290
things like you know whether this

649
00:24:16,590 --> 00:24:13,240
certain connection would have failed the

650
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:16,600
the connection between a 2001 the girder

651
00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:19,090
and column 79 and then they did these

652
00:24:22,770 --> 00:24:21,220
these full-scale models which is the

653
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:22,780
main thing that I critiqued though they

654
00:24:27,390 --> 00:24:25,210
had these models of World Trade Center 7

655
00:24:30,900 --> 00:24:27,400
they have a small paper model of

656
00:24:34,250 --> 00:24:30,910
World Trade Center seven here but the

657
00:24:37,110 --> 00:24:34,260
thing that looks so strange to me about

658
00:24:39,210 --> 00:24:37,120
their models is that they claim that

659
00:24:41,310 --> 00:24:39,220
they did what's called dynamic analysis

660
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:41,320
of the model which is where you simulate

661
00:24:47,910 --> 00:24:43,930
the movement response of the building

662
00:24:49,500 --> 00:24:47,920
and you know if a gooda bends and then

663
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:49,510
fails it will fall and hit will hit all

664
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:52,210
the girders it accounts for the actual

665
00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:53,770
movement of the building as a whole its

666
00:24:56,460 --> 00:24:55,300
momentum and they have this one

667
00:24:58,650 --> 00:24:56,470
animation that they say as a dynamic

668
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,660
response it just basically consists of

669
00:25:02,669 --> 00:25:00,880
the building just tilting over perfectly

670
00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:02,679
straightly to the site and I kind of

671
00:25:07,919 --> 00:25:04,420
like at an angle actually more like like

672
00:25:09,900 --> 00:25:07,929
this over the bottom half and the bottom

673
00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:09,910
one the bottom third and the bottom

674
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:11,620
third isn't connected to the top and

675
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:13,360
there's no collision between the two and

676
00:25:17,730 --> 00:25:15,250
it just looks like all they did was take

677
00:25:20,070 --> 00:25:17,740
a 3d model and then just add it like a

678
00:25:21,210 --> 00:25:20,080
rotation translation transform to move

679
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:21,220
the top half of it

680
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:25,890
he doesn't actually look like a dynamic

681
00:25:31,620 --> 00:25:30,250
analysis I'm not an expert on these

682
00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:31,630
things I know there's the three

683
00:25:35,610 --> 00:25:33,400
animations they have I wondered about

684
00:25:38,220 --> 00:25:35,620
those other two myself I think the one

685
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:38,230
is where they have all the columns they

686
00:25:41,549 --> 00:25:39,850
you know they kind of show them kind of

687
00:25:42,780 --> 00:25:41,559
go like this and then it has a global

688
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:42,790
collapse instead of a progressive

689
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:44,530
collapse I didn't know if the other two

690
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:46,210
were like steps and then learning

691
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:47,710
something else and I really got to dig

692
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,840
into this more but I get what you're

693
00:25:54,270 --> 00:25:52,480
saying it it looks odd a lot of this

694
00:25:56,220 --> 00:25:54,280
computer modeling stuff looks odd I will

695
00:25:57,690 --> 00:25:56,230
say I think he's working with better

696
00:26:00,840 --> 00:25:57,700
software than they were working with

697
00:26:03,870 --> 00:26:00,850
back then about eight years eight years

698
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:03,880
prior or ten years prior it was in 2008

699
00:26:07,530 --> 00:26:05,770
what do you think is you think his

700
00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:07,540
renderings would look better of him if

701
00:26:10,049 --> 00:26:08,710
you look at them you competiveness

702
00:26:12,120 --> 00:26:10,059
they've got this incredibly detailed

703
00:26:14,070 --> 00:26:12,130
model and it has things falling off all

704
00:26:15,570 --> 00:26:14,080
over the place columns collapsing that's

705
00:26:17,730 --> 00:26:15,580
defamation of all kinds of things

706
00:26:21,660 --> 00:26:17,740
whereas if you look at his model even

707
00:26:23,570 --> 00:26:21,670
the the money shot version that you see

708
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:23,580
on the cover you see this weird kind of

709
00:26:29,790 --> 00:26:27,330
egg breaking butterflying hinged

710
00:26:31,230 --> 00:26:29,800
penthouse that just kind of sways open

711
00:26:32,490 --> 00:26:31,240
and then lowers itself down into the

712
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:32,500
building and then the other penthouse

713
00:26:36,090 --> 00:26:34,240
slows itself down into the building and

714
00:26:38,610 --> 00:26:36,100
then the building can have falls down he

715
00:26:40,509 --> 00:26:38,620
doesn't even show the columns being

716
00:26:43,239 --> 00:26:40,519
removed like what comms did he actually

717
00:26:45,729 --> 00:26:43,249
or any defamation whatsoever it's all

718
00:26:47,699 --> 00:26:45,739
very strange and you know if I've made a

719
00:26:49,719 --> 00:26:47,709
little video explaining what my

720
00:26:52,690 --> 00:26:49,729
objections are and I sent it to

721
00:26:54,940 --> 00:26:52,700
Professor hull see this morning yeah

722
00:26:56,799 --> 00:26:54,950
because you know I wouldn't I'd like to

723
00:26:59,979 --> 00:26:56,809
get a response but I'd be melting before

724
00:27:05,349 --> 00:26:59,989
a few times and never got any response

725
00:27:07,869 --> 00:27:05,359
but I think I could see if maybe I could

726
00:27:09,489 --> 00:27:07,879
get somebody to listen to me yeah I'd

727
00:27:11,169 --> 00:27:09,499
like them to if they can improve what

728
00:27:12,459 --> 00:27:11,179
they've done through suggestions right

729
00:27:16,659 --> 00:27:12,469
now that's what they're supposed to do

730
00:27:18,699 --> 00:27:16,669
yeah but I do like good NIST they admit

731
00:27:20,819 --> 00:27:18,709
it the stiffeners the shear starts the

732
00:27:22,749 --> 00:27:20,829
steel plates he put all that into his

733
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:22,759
analysis and I think that has to be

734
00:27:26,589 --> 00:27:24,559
something that's that's better would you

735
00:27:28,509 --> 00:27:26,599
not agree with that well it's better to

736
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:28,519
have things in the note but you know you

737
00:27:31,959 --> 00:27:29,659
still got to come back to the end

738
00:27:33,759 --> 00:27:31,969
results it doesn't look like it's an

739
00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:33,769
actual analysis it looks like it's an

740
00:27:38,499 --> 00:27:35,929
animation so a little confused as to

741
00:27:40,299 --> 00:27:38,509
what what's going on there and yeah this

742
00:27:43,089 --> 00:27:40,309
is kind of technical but he does like a

743
00:27:45,459 --> 00:27:43,099
static analysis stuff deke analysis and

744
00:27:48,399 --> 00:27:45,469
the dynamic analysis and the static

745
00:27:50,379 --> 00:27:48,409
analysis is meant to be like working out

746
00:27:52,329 --> 00:27:50,389
what the forces and deformations are of

747
00:27:54,099 --> 00:27:52,339
a building it's not really meant to

748
00:27:55,930 --> 00:27:54,109
simulate a building while it is

749
00:27:58,569 --> 00:27:55,940
collapsing you use it to see if a

750
00:28:00,069 --> 00:27:58,579
building will collapse but he simulates

751
00:28:02,649 --> 00:28:00,079
it all the way until the building is

752
00:28:04,329 --> 00:28:02,659
like at 45 degrees and he has the

753
00:28:06,249 --> 00:28:04,339
columns at the back of the building all

754
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:06,259
stretched out to three times the natural

755
00:28:11,349 --> 00:28:09,769
length which which it'd be an impossible

756
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:11,359
thing to do in the simulation those

757
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:13,159
columns would have would have failed but

758
00:28:17,829 --> 00:28:14,450
you know in his thing they're still

759
00:28:20,289 --> 00:28:17,839
providing support so it's it seems I

760
00:28:22,389 --> 00:28:20,299
don't know it just seems like it's it's

761
00:28:24,190 --> 00:28:22,399
inexplicable how he actually got the

762
00:28:26,379 --> 00:28:24,200
results that he did you know he claims

763
00:28:29,589 --> 00:28:26,389
that you did but I think my feeling with

764
00:28:31,930 --> 00:28:29,599
that this is kind of speculative is the

765
00:28:34,899 --> 00:28:31,940
his graduate students build these models

766
00:28:38,769 --> 00:28:34,909
he didn't build the models and they did

767
00:28:40,539 --> 00:28:38,779
yes yeah I'm sure he'll I had some input

768
00:28:43,449 --> 00:28:40,549
on it but you know I don't think he he

769
00:28:46,269 --> 00:28:43,459
did the work himself and I think he told

770
00:28:49,149 --> 00:28:46,279
them to do tests they did them they gave

771
00:28:50,979 --> 00:28:49,159
some animations back to him and then he

772
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:50,989
just said oh well this looks like this

773
00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:52,159
and let's try something else and they

774
00:28:54,490 --> 00:28:52,790
went back on for

775
00:28:57,580 --> 00:28:54,500
often did a bunch of things and this is

776
00:29:00,400 --> 00:28:57,590
what they ended up with and I don't I

777
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:00,410
don't really understand how a dynamic

778
00:29:04,270 --> 00:29:02,090
simulation could have ended up with this

779
00:29:05,290 --> 00:29:04,280
result anyway this is probably boring to

780
00:29:06,670 --> 00:29:05,300
most people because it's a bit too

781
00:29:08,050 --> 00:29:06,680
technical but this is something that's

782
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:08,060
playing out in the 9/11 truth movement

783
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:10,730
right now is the architects and

784
00:29:15,790 --> 00:29:13,010
engineers for 9/11 truth are really

785
00:29:17,620 --> 00:29:15,800
pushing this this thing this the study

786
00:29:21,070 --> 00:29:17,630
by Professor Halsey on the University of

787
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:21,080
Alaska and it's kind of like they're at

788
00:29:25,530 --> 00:29:22,850
another last-gasp in a way it's like

789
00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:25,540
they lost a great white hope of

790
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:27,500
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth

791
00:29:31,810 --> 00:29:29,210
in that they they think this is the

792
00:29:36,190 --> 00:29:31,820
thing that's going to prove once and for

793
00:29:37,660 --> 00:29:36,200
all that I don't think you can prove

794
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:37,670
anything at the end of the day even if

795
00:29:40,450 --> 00:29:39,050
you like one of these studies more than

796
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:40,460
the other I mean they're computer

797
00:29:44,890 --> 00:29:42,080
modeling they're not forensics it's not

798
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:44,900
chemical analysis it's not suspects it's

799
00:29:50,140 --> 00:29:47,090
not good lead to something else but will

800
00:29:53,710 --> 00:29:50,150
it I would say probably not I have some

801
00:29:55,810 --> 00:29:53,720
hope but it's we're a long way away from

802
00:29:58,480 --> 00:29:55,820
this thing at this point that's a

803
00:29:59,950 --> 00:29:58,490
problem I just I do what I think is the

804
00:30:02,170 --> 00:29:59,960
right thing to do whether I think it'll

805
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:02,180
succeed sometimes they're not

806
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:04,850
again I think NIST admitted a lot that

807
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:07,370
he tried to include I don't know all the

808
00:30:12,910 --> 00:30:09,730
technical digging into this whole thing

809
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:12,920
it's still comments right now I missed

810
00:30:16,900 --> 00:30:14,930
again we can't check there's not that I

811
00:30:18,910 --> 00:30:16,910
would be able to anyway but they they're

812
00:30:21,010 --> 00:30:18,920
they didn't release their their modeling

813
00:30:22,810 --> 00:30:21,020
to be able like with what they did they

814
00:30:24,430 --> 00:30:22,820
withheld it from the public as far as I

815
00:30:26,380 --> 00:30:24,440
know is is going to be open to the

816
00:30:30,070 --> 00:30:26,390
public to test these things for people

817
00:30:32,170 --> 00:30:30,080
to do it themselves so I think that's a

818
00:30:34,090 --> 00:30:32,180
good thing as well yeah yeah well

819
00:30:36,190 --> 00:30:34,100
hopefully someone will look into it the

820
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:36,200
problem is of course the the software

821
00:30:40,090 --> 00:30:38,210
they use sap2000 I think it costs about

822
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:40,100
three thousand dollars so it's a bit

823
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:42,370
beyond my budget it may be a

824
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:45,770
crowdsourcing thing but they use to

825
00:30:52,090 --> 00:30:49,970
programs yeah yeah reference and they're

826
00:30:55,210 --> 00:30:52,100
probably both that pricing right they

827
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:55,220
use abacus and sap2000 the two software

828
00:30:58,960 --> 00:30:57,530
programs abacus they use for the more

829
00:31:01,630 --> 00:30:58,970
detailed analysis where they were

830
00:31:03,460 --> 00:31:01,640
studying the behavior of joints easily

831
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:03,470
and what their response would be for an

832
00:31:07,999 --> 00:31:05,100
individual connection for

833
00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:08,009
good at a column connection and then

834
00:31:13,700 --> 00:31:10,409
they use that to formulate spring models

835
00:31:15,139 --> 00:31:13,710
for the connections but what they use

836
00:31:17,210 --> 00:31:15,149
for the global collapse models the

837
00:31:19,399 --> 00:31:17,220
dynamic ones which are the kind of the

838
00:31:24,190 --> 00:31:19,409
blue and red models that you see that

839
00:31:27,710 --> 00:31:24,200
were sap2000 which is a fairly standard

840
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:27,720
software for that type of thing NIST use

841
00:31:32,269 --> 00:31:30,210
a thing called they use abacus as well I

842
00:31:34,490 --> 00:31:32,279
know that wasn't abacus it was what it

843
00:31:36,769 --> 00:31:34,500
was now was it obvious I think that used

844
00:31:38,869 --> 00:31:36,779
advocates for the first one still yes

845
00:31:40,909 --> 00:31:38,879
they did they use Erica's for the

846
00:31:44,690 --> 00:31:40,919
similar detailed thing but then the user

847
00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:44,700
thing called LS diner for the the global

848
00:31:49,700 --> 00:31:46,230
collapse models and that's they use the

849
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:49,710
natural dynamic analysis who think and

850
00:31:54,009 --> 00:31:51,539
done linear dynamic analysis which again

851
00:31:58,879 --> 00:31:54,019
is another more technical distinction

852
00:32:01,240 --> 00:31:58,889
but you said you you've worked with

853
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:01,250
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth

854
00:32:06,259 --> 00:32:03,840
written for them I've done some

855
00:32:07,789 --> 00:32:06,269
conference calls and whatnot I was on

856
00:32:10,220 --> 00:32:07,799
the writing team for a little while so

857
00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:10,230
yeah so you said you you wrote some of

858
00:32:14,119 --> 00:32:12,960
the the facts the frequently asked

859
00:32:15,529 --> 00:32:14,129
questions on architects and engineers

860
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:15,539
for 9/11 truth how did that come about

861
00:32:20,869 --> 00:32:17,610
is this like your specific area of

862
00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:20,879
expertise I mean it's stuff like the

863
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:22,169
ones that I covered like the one was

864
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,210
about squibs that's something that the

865
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:26,039
debunkers blog we've talked about a lot

866
00:32:31,009 --> 00:32:27,600
about I mean so it wasn't really hard

867
00:32:32,629 --> 00:32:31,019
the way I approached it was well I think

868
00:32:34,279 --> 00:32:32,639
a lot of people would ask a lot of the

869
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:34,289
kind of questions that debunkers bring

870
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:36,570
up they kind of there was people to push

871
00:32:39,799 --> 00:32:38,250
back on that I was like I don't think so

872
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:39,809
so much I think a lot of the things that

873
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:42,450
debunkers bring up as our common sense

874
00:32:47,299 --> 00:32:44,490
questions that just the general public

875
00:32:49,159 --> 00:32:47,309
has sometimes so that's how I got those

876
00:32:50,690 --> 00:32:49,169
to go through and that way the one was

877
00:32:52,249 --> 00:32:50,700
about sounds of explosions and whether

878
00:32:53,690 --> 00:32:52,259
they're consistent I talked about a

879
00:32:56,419 --> 00:32:53,700
little bit of what I include there just

880
00:32:59,539 --> 00:32:56,429
earlier and then the squib issue whether

881
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:59,549
whether there's a building popping out

882
00:33:03,019 --> 00:33:01,080
because it's falling down or because

883
00:33:07,580 --> 00:33:03,029
there's pre-planned explosives ahead of

884
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,590
the demolition and collapse and then the

885
00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:09,600
other one wasn't technical at all it was

886
00:33:15,289 --> 00:33:12,990
why it was just why did a you know and

887
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:15,299
why does a Nylund truth represent so few

888
00:33:19,940 --> 00:33:18,000
architects and engineers of the total

889
00:33:21,470 --> 00:33:19,950
so kind of touched on those things a

890
00:33:22,910 --> 00:33:21,480
little bit with the squib issue I mean

891
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:22,920
the biggest thing is some of them were

892
00:33:28,490 --> 00:33:26,730
like 40 to 60 stories down so you can

893
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:28,500
say this escaping air if you want I

894
00:33:34,730 --> 00:33:32,010
don't know it seems odd to me but yeah I

895
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:34,740
can see how it what seemed odd but yeah

896
00:33:39,890 --> 00:33:37,890
another thing that you know I don't

897
00:33:41,660 --> 00:33:39,900
again too much detail there but you know

898
00:33:44,660 --> 00:33:41,670
we're talking about is the the puffs of

899
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:44,670
smoke and dust and debris in some

900
00:33:47,630 --> 00:33:46,710
instances that shoot out of the sides of

901
00:33:49,910 --> 00:33:47,640
the building

902
00:33:52,490 --> 00:33:49,920
World Trade Center like lower than the

903
00:33:55,670 --> 00:33:52,500
actual kind of collapse wave so it looks

904
00:33:58,760 --> 00:33:55,680
like it could be some kind of explosion

905
00:34:00,800 --> 00:33:58,770
but it also looks like a jet of stuff

906
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:00,810
shooting out you know rather than an

907
00:34:04,220 --> 00:34:02,370
explosion but you know I guess some

908
00:34:07,580 --> 00:34:04,230
explosions do kind of look like that but

909
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:07,590
they're rather large the the

910
00:34:12,740 --> 00:34:10,070
conventional theory is that this is

911
00:34:15,020 --> 00:34:12,750
overpressure which is basically very

912
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:15,030
high pressure has blown the windows out

913
00:34:20,750 --> 00:34:18,210
and the objection like you just said

914
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:20,760
there is that it's too far ahead of the

915
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:23,490
collapse wave so far ahead too too

916
00:34:27,860 --> 00:34:25,290
powerful too fast and that it's actually

917
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:27,870
crushed building components that it's it

918
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:29,970
looks like it's blown up materials and

919
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:31,890
not just puffs of dust or puffs of air

920
00:34:36,980 --> 00:34:35,130
so I won't put it that's the argument

921
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:36,990
shell I mean it gets a little more

922
00:34:41,690 --> 00:34:40,530
intensive but I mean II do see these and

923
00:34:44,150 --> 00:34:41,700
controlled demolitions that's the other

924
00:34:45,500 --> 00:34:44,160
thing so it would be consistent but then

925
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,510
you have like David Chandler he thinks

926
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:48,000
he sees them every single spot as the

927
00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:49,200
buildings coming down I couldn't imagine

928
00:34:52,580 --> 00:34:50,820
there'd be that many explosives in the

929
00:34:54,050 --> 00:34:52,590
towers if it was I mean if there were

930
00:34:56,180 --> 00:34:54,060
explosions in the towers I would imagine

931
00:34:58,520 --> 00:34:56,190
that they're not as many as some truth

932
00:34:59,960 --> 00:34:58,530
or to think I think gravity has to be

933
00:35:01,760 --> 00:34:59,970
tuned a lot of work and there happen

934
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:01,770
o'problem was something crushing down to

935
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:04,260
some extent I mean but those are those

936
00:35:07,940 --> 00:35:06,090
were tall buildings coming down and I'm

937
00:35:10,700 --> 00:35:07,950
sure they grab some of that work you

938
00:35:13,100 --> 00:35:10,710
know so I don't think there had to be

939
00:35:15,110 --> 00:35:13,110
like tons of explosives on every single

940
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:15,120
floor for instance you could do some pre

941
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:18,210
weakening and explosions every so many

942
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:20,760
floors just to bring it down and grab

943
00:35:26,540 --> 00:35:23,490
yes I was looking at some of the history

944
00:35:27,860 --> 00:35:26,550
of 9/11 truth and DNA to the history of

945
00:35:31,099 --> 00:35:27,870
architects and engineers for 9/11 truth

946
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:31,109
and some of the blog's that existed

947
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:32,729
kind of as precursors I think we still

948
00:35:36,349 --> 00:35:34,140
exist right now which ones they are now

949
00:35:40,489 --> 00:35:36,359
one of them had this theory about the

950
00:35:42,019 --> 00:35:40,499
ceiling tiles or being explosives and it

951
00:35:43,849 --> 00:35:42,029
was literally or all of the ceiling

952
00:35:46,359 --> 00:35:43,859
tiles in the entire building had been

953
00:35:49,009 --> 00:35:46,369
replaced with explosive ceiling tiles

954
00:35:51,289 --> 00:35:49,019
and you know is this a ridiculous thing

955
00:35:53,209 --> 00:35:51,299
but yeah at the time people people

956
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:53,219
believe to somebody some people they

957
00:35:57,949 --> 00:35:54,900
believe oh that's that's actually Jim

958
00:35:59,420 --> 00:35:57,959
Hoffman maybe that's it it's I think

959
00:36:02,239 --> 00:35:59,430
that he got criticized a lot for that

960
00:36:04,190 --> 00:36:02,249
but he was he was tasked with come up

961
00:36:07,099 --> 00:36:04,200
with something hype at the end maybe and

962
00:36:09,109 --> 00:36:07,109
I don't think he had to go to that place

963
00:36:10,579 --> 00:36:09,119
though I mean like I said you know you

964
00:36:12,319 --> 00:36:10,589
have some strategically placed

965
00:36:14,660 --> 00:36:12,329
explosives gravity does some of the work

966
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:14,670
some incendiaries maybe place throughout

967
00:36:18,009 --> 00:36:16,140
the building I don't know how I don't

968
00:36:22,099 --> 00:36:18,019
know what the minimum would be required

969
00:36:23,779 --> 00:36:22,109
but I mean I just think that perhaps

970
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:23,789
it's not as much as some people would

971
00:36:29,359 --> 00:36:27,180
like to you know yeah you can see more

972
00:36:32,749 --> 00:36:29,369
in a boat but are better for our case

973
00:36:36,529 --> 00:36:32,759
that blesses warm that kind of thing cuz

974
00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:36,539
it would be easier yeah and I don't know

975
00:36:39,979 --> 00:36:38,670
what minimum requirement would be but I

976
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:39,989
just it just seems to me that maybe

977
00:36:43,309 --> 00:36:41,849
people overestimate a little bit and how

978
00:36:46,339 --> 00:36:43,319
about this this is interesting

979
00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:46,349
Rocky Creek is a 9/11 truther guy he

980
00:36:50,059 --> 00:36:48,569
didn't discount the possibility that he

981
00:36:51,829 --> 00:36:50,069
was asked could foreign terrorists at

982
00:36:54,529 --> 00:36:51,839
play with this and he said it's possible

983
00:36:56,299 --> 00:36:54,539
maybe you had Muhammad auda looking

984
00:36:58,249 --> 00:36:56,309
around the building's apparently was it

985
00:37:01,130 --> 00:36:58,259
was one of my caramel rough ham Willy

986
00:37:03,380 --> 00:37:01,140
Rodriguez the janitor said he saw one of

987
00:37:05,390 --> 00:37:03,390
the what he recognized later to be one

988
00:37:07,819 --> 00:37:05,400
of the hijackers probably wasn't hata

989
00:37:10,609 --> 00:37:07,829
actually but you can look us up and he

990
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:10,619
said the person had asked him what you

991
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,880
know where how many bathrooms are on

992
00:37:16,789 --> 00:37:14,160
this floor things like that so there's

993
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:16,799
an interesting thing I mean hoodie seems

994
00:37:22,279 --> 00:37:19,369
highly implausible to me that they were

995
00:37:26,449 --> 00:37:22,289
plant explosives has like months ahead

996
00:37:27,859 --> 00:37:26,459
of time and then fly the planes in a

997
00:37:30,319 --> 00:37:27,869
specific day and then trigger the

998
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,329
explosions correctly I just I don't know

999
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:31,920
that seems even more even more

1000
00:37:35,569 --> 00:37:33,420
outlandish than the idea of the US

1001
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:35,579
government doing it today just why

1002
00:37:39,229 --> 00:37:37,529
wouldn't they yeah they they before

1003
00:37:42,170 --> 00:37:39,239
they're they just had one truck bomb

1004
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:42,180
though they years in the 1993 World

1005
00:37:46,720 --> 00:37:43,970
Trade Center attacks

1006
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:46,730
and I didn't work so they would you know

1007
00:37:49,090 --> 00:37:47,930
like I could certainly imagine them

1008
00:37:52,690 --> 00:37:49,100
trying to blow up the World Trade Center

1009
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:52,700
again that it just seemed so did the FBI

1010
00:37:57,010 --> 00:37:54,890
give that bomb to that today have you

1011
00:37:59,590 --> 00:37:57,020
looked into that claim yeah I mean the

1012
00:38:03,040 --> 00:37:59,600
guy says some guys say something about

1013
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:03,050
her but you know it's did he not get

1014
00:38:09,310 --> 00:38:06,800
someone on tape yeah I think that the

1015
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:09,320
guy the the 93 bomber I'm not sure who

1016
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:13,010
it was exactly I says he has some

1017
00:38:19,210 --> 00:38:15,280
contact with the FBI

1018
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:19,220
and they hear FBI handler I can't

1019
00:38:22,660 --> 00:38:21,410
remember the details of it but I guess

1020
00:38:25,660 --> 00:38:22,670
people come lucky shot but there's

1021
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:25,670
certainly a theory around that well the

1022
00:38:33,250 --> 00:38:31,490
New York Times yeah but uh let me ask

1023
00:38:36,070 --> 00:38:33,260
you this Co cuz I saw you on Rogan one

1024
00:38:38,370 --> 00:38:36,080
of the one of the criticisms I saw

1025
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:38,380
people in the comments making was yes

1026
00:38:42,580 --> 00:38:40,610
conspiracy theories there's too many

1027
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:42,590
there they're overblown this kind of

1028
00:38:46,930 --> 00:38:45,290
thing but do you believe what you

1029
00:38:47,590 --> 00:38:46,940
believe criminal conspiracies happen

1030
00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:47,600
correct

1031
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:49,990
oh yeah don't believe any major

1032
00:38:55,180 --> 00:38:51,770
conspiracy theories is there any that

1033
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:55,190
you give credence to well you know the

1034
00:39:00,370 --> 00:38:58,190
conspiracy theories I believe are to a

1035
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:00,380
large extent the ones that most people

1036
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:03,110
would just accept a fairly obvious there

1037
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:05,990
is a lot of essentially corruption and

1038
00:39:14,110 --> 00:39:08,240
graft in the government and in industry

1039
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:14,120
and in amongst the rich people in the

1040
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:16,880
country that's you know people are doing

1041
00:39:21,370 --> 00:39:19,010
things for their own self interests and

1042
00:39:24,550 --> 00:39:21,380
not really the interests of the people

1043
00:39:27,070 --> 00:39:24,560
at large so you get corruption in terms

1044
00:39:28,930 --> 00:39:27,080
of people trying to influence

1045
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:28,940
politicians like you'll get the prison

1046
00:39:34,410 --> 00:39:31,970
lobby trying to influence politicians to

1047
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:34,420
increase mandatory minimum sentences

1048
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:37,010
where and they do this in a variety of

1049
00:39:40,990 --> 00:39:39,170
ways and some of them can a verge on

1050
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:41,000
bribery and we know also that

1051
00:39:45,010 --> 00:39:43,850
politicians accept bribes because it's

1052
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:45,020
happened in the past and people are

1053
00:39:48,580 --> 00:39:47,210
being prosecuted for it so we know for

1054
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:48,590
like a bunch of politicians of being

1055
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:50,810
caught for accepting bribes there must

1056
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:52,100
be a bunch of politicians who are

1057
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:55,130
essentially you know getting getting

1058
00:39:59,230 --> 00:39:57,650
bribes engaging getting money for

1059
00:40:01,480 --> 00:39:59,240
their position Prather for information

1060
00:40:02,890 --> 00:40:01,490
or for influencing legislation so I

1061
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:02,900
think that type of thing happens you

1062
00:40:10,420 --> 00:40:05,210
know I think this this in within

1063
00:40:14,999 --> 00:40:10,430
industry there's deception of what's

1064
00:40:18,220 --> 00:40:15,009
going on in industry like Big Pharma

1065
00:40:20,829 --> 00:40:18,230
probably pumps up the value you know Big

1066
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:20,839
Pharma wants the FDA to approve its

1067
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:23,569
drugs it's possible that there's some

1068
00:40:27,489 --> 00:40:25,640
fudging of results going on here and

1069
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:27,499
there I don't know if there's I don't

1070
00:40:30,910 --> 00:40:29,690
really have any good evidence so that

1071
00:40:33,099 --> 00:40:30,920
but it's quite possible you know this

1072
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:33,109
destroy really really strong profit

1073
00:40:37,089 --> 00:40:35,690
motive and there's may be executives

1074
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:37,099
who've got all their money in stock

1075
00:40:41,470 --> 00:40:38,900
options and they know that if this Doug

1076
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:41,480
drug doesn't get pushed through then you

1077
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,890
know they're gonna lose like twenty

1078
00:40:46,210 --> 00:40:44,960
million dollars personally so they

1079
00:40:49,390 --> 00:40:46,220
personally have a very strong incentive

1080
00:40:52,269 --> 00:40:49,400
to do some little fudging do some little

1081
00:40:53,799 --> 00:40:52,279
pushing to do something to get this this

1082
00:40:55,720 --> 00:40:53,809
this drug pass I don't know if it

1083
00:40:57,220 --> 00:40:55,730
actually happens but you know there's

1084
00:40:59,259 --> 00:40:57,230
certainly a very strong incentive for

1085
00:41:01,480 --> 00:40:59,269
that that to happen and we know there's

1086
00:41:04,329 --> 00:41:01,490
loads of it they want to then cover up a

1087
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:04,339
cure or or not do research into herbal

1088
00:41:07,720 --> 00:41:05,930
medicines because it would cut their

1089
00:41:10,690 --> 00:41:07,730
profit motive deal would you go that for

1090
00:41:14,140 --> 00:41:10,700
no I I wouldn't really go that far

1091
00:41:16,569 --> 00:41:14,150
because yeah if herbal medicines could

1092
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:16,579
be a cure for something you know they

1093
00:41:21,609 --> 00:41:19,249
would sell them drug companies sell lots

1094
00:41:22,989 --> 00:41:21,619
of very cheap stuff and drugs go generic

1095
00:41:25,479 --> 00:41:22,999
after well wouldn't they try to take an

1096
00:41:26,620 --> 00:41:25,489
extract from it synthesize it and make

1097
00:41:28,059 --> 00:41:26,630
it their own though they wouldn't sell

1098
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:28,069
it there's no money to remain on a

1099
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:31,369
cheaper yeah well herbs are problematic

1100
00:41:35,289 --> 00:41:33,529
as a medicine because the the amount the

1101
00:41:37,930 --> 00:41:35,299
dosage amounts that you get in a nervous

1102
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:37,940
is very variable if you if you if you

1103
00:41:42,039 --> 00:41:39,890
look at nutritional supplements which

1104
00:41:44,700 --> 00:41:42,049
are sold kind of like you know not

1105
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:44,710
evaluated by the FDA but they really are

1106
00:41:49,539 --> 00:41:47,930
saying this will cure your cancer the

1107
00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:49,549
actual amount of the active ingredient

1108
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:51,769
is very variable in those so yeah and

1109
00:41:55,690 --> 00:41:54,650
you know the broader topic there this is

1110
00:41:57,970 --> 00:41:55,700
something I talked about in a recent

1111
00:42:03,400 --> 00:41:57,980
podcast was that if there was a cure for

1112
00:42:05,229 --> 00:42:03,410
cancer you know would people really be

1113
00:42:06,789 --> 00:42:05,239
that evil that they would cover up a

1114
00:42:09,549 --> 00:42:06,799
cure for cancer just to make a bit more

1115
00:42:11,630 --> 00:42:09,559
money when they're already making tens

1116
00:42:15,620 --> 00:42:11,640
of millions of dollars the person

1117
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:15,630
I think cancers pretty it's a

1118
00:42:18,620 --> 00:42:16,770
complicated thing though because there's

1119
00:42:20,450 --> 00:42:18,630
so many different types of cancers and

1120
00:42:23,810 --> 00:42:20,460
they each can be treated so much

1121
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:23,820
differently that's not like say breast

1122
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:25,530
cancer you know if there's a cure for

1123
00:42:29,500 --> 00:42:27,480
breast cancer which kills like hundreds

1124
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:29,510
of thousands of women every year and

1125
00:42:36,260 --> 00:42:33,570
including the wives and mothers of and

1126
00:42:38,180 --> 00:42:36,270
the actual CEOs and people who work in

1127
00:42:40,460 --> 00:42:38,190
industry it's this thing that affects

1128
00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:40,470
everybody you know everybody knows

1129
00:42:44,690 --> 00:42:42,990
someone who's being affected by you

1130
00:42:46,940 --> 00:42:44,700
one of the more common forms of cancer

1131
00:42:52,720 --> 00:42:46,950
it's got the berrera ones it just seems

1132
00:42:55,130 --> 00:42:52,730
that that isn't really a good motive

1133
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:55,140
well it doesn't it doesn't have to be a

1134
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:56,970
conspiracy that's evil in that case

1135
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,290
though either could just be like if you

1136
00:43:02,450 --> 00:43:01,200
look at the history of medical history

1137
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:02,460
there's a lot of things we've learned

1138
00:43:06,290 --> 00:43:03,810
over time where we were doing things

1139
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:06,300
completely wrong that could be there

1140
00:43:09,500 --> 00:43:07,530
could be better ways that we could be

1141
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:09,510
doing things yeah I would had to scan

1142
00:43:13,300 --> 00:43:11,130
other countries medical bills they do

1143
00:43:16,580 --> 00:43:13,310
take different approaches than they do

1144
00:43:18,500 --> 00:43:16,590
so think cuz there is that there's that

1145
00:43:20,060 --> 00:43:18,510
documentary it's called cancer curable

1146
00:43:21,950 --> 00:43:20,070
now but if you look at it it doesn't say

1147
00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:21,960
oh here's a pill that cures cancer it's

1148
00:43:25,700 --> 00:43:23,460
just here's some different ways

1149
00:43:29,660 --> 00:43:25,710
different physicians are going in the

1150
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:29,670
world has this can be cured there's some

1151
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:31,470
that are quite treatable and you know

1152
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:33,810
some that respond very well to various

1153
00:43:38,300 --> 00:43:36,240
therapists like chemotherapy so it's not

1154
00:43:39,650 --> 00:43:38,310
you know cancer itself like you say is a

1155
00:43:42,260 --> 00:43:39,660
very complicated thing it's essentially

1156
00:43:44,270 --> 00:43:42,270
lots of different diseases and each

1157
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:44,280
individual one it's gonna have like a

1158
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:47,400
different different treatment is this

1159
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:49,410
something you blog about this time yeah

1160
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:51,210
yeah I blog about alternative health

1161
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,660
things yeah my ex-wife was a nurse and I

1162
00:43:58,850 --> 00:43:56,640
took a lot of took a lot of interest in

1163
00:44:01,760 --> 00:43:58,860
that so I bounced things back and forth

1164
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:01,770
with her interesting yeah no I don't

1165
00:44:05,900 --> 00:44:03,690
have any problem with people that I mean

1166
00:44:07,580 --> 00:44:05,910
for instance Western medicine you can't

1167
00:44:09,380 --> 00:44:07,590
there's it's the only way you're gonna

1168
00:44:12,140 --> 00:44:09,390
get diagnosed with anything whatever you

1169
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:12,150
want to do it's second to none when it

1170
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:15,210
comes finding how it's wrong and even

1171
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:17,250
now when it comes to alternative

1172
00:44:21,380 --> 00:44:19,170
treatments Western medicine is more and

1173
00:44:22,700 --> 00:44:21,390
more accepting of trying anything you

1174
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:22,710
want to try as long it doesn't because

1175
00:44:25,550 --> 00:44:24,810
it doesn't conflict with what they'd

1176
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:25,560
like to do

1177
00:44:29,450 --> 00:44:26,850
everybody makes their own decisions yeah

1178
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,460
it's something I talk about I'm not so

1179
00:44:32,570 --> 00:44:30,960
sure we see exactly eye-to-eye but I

1180
00:44:35,090 --> 00:44:32,580
give it I get where you're coming from I

1181
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:35,100
try to find middle ground with as many

1182
00:44:40,100 --> 00:44:37,050
things as I can something you mentioned

1183
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:40,110
is that you do understand that you know

1184
00:44:44,660 --> 00:44:42,600
power breeds corruption and that's that

1185
00:44:46,340 --> 00:44:44,670
is an mo of the world that's kind of why

1186
00:44:48,110 --> 00:44:46,350
I say that there's an intellectual case

1187
00:44:50,750 --> 00:44:48,120
for conspiracism if somebody wants to

1188
00:44:52,940 --> 00:44:50,760
think that conspiracies are the norm and

1189
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:52,950
not an aberration I think there's a case

1190
00:44:56,900 --> 00:44:54,480
that can be made for that because I I

1191
00:44:59,210 --> 00:44:56,910
just think that's how power operates it

1192
00:45:01,430 --> 00:44:59,220
I you know you can find studies where

1193
00:45:03,110 --> 00:45:01,440
those it'll show you that people that

1194
00:45:04,580 --> 00:45:03,120
get into positions of power that seek

1195
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:04,590
those positions they tend to be like

1196
00:45:09,110 --> 00:45:06,810
sociopathic narcissistic kind of people

1197
00:45:10,910 --> 00:45:09,120
and so yeah will they get together with

1198
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:10,920
other people that are like that and make

1199
00:45:16,970 --> 00:45:13,380
plans in secret to do bad things yeah a

1200
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:16,980
lot of times I get caught but and then

1201
00:45:19,790 --> 00:45:18,210
there's things you can look at like

1202
00:45:21,050 --> 00:45:19,800
there's there's an article called 33

1203
00:45:23,720 --> 00:45:21,060
conspiracy theories that turned out to

1204
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:23,730
be true there's another one called 42

1205
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:26,610
admitted false flags and one of those is

1206
00:45:29,470 --> 00:45:27,750
very interesting I don't know if you

1207
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:29,480
ever heard of Operation Gladio

1208
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,190
but Gladio it was a false flag terror

1209
00:45:38,060 --> 00:45:34,640
program set up by the CIA and NATO and

1210
00:45:39,860 --> 00:45:38,070
it was eventually exposed but it wasn't

1211
00:45:42,140 --> 00:45:39,870
just a single event it was an ongoing

1212
00:45:44,420 --> 00:45:42,150
operation where it for decades it was

1213
00:45:45,830 --> 00:45:44,430
and they there was hundreds of innocent

1214
00:45:47,570 --> 00:45:45,840
people killed in bombings and whatnot

1215
00:45:49,250 --> 00:45:47,580
and they blamed it on other groups so

1216
00:45:50,990 --> 00:45:49,260
they were literal false flags and it's

1217
00:45:52,010 --> 00:45:51,000
pretty it's not disputed as far as I

1218
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:52,020
know I don't know what anybody that's

1219
00:45:56,030 --> 00:45:54,210
trying to dispute it at this point so

1220
00:45:58,850 --> 00:45:56,040
it's things like that like I just

1221
00:46:00,650 --> 00:45:58,860
interviewed Larry Pinckney use of one of

1222
00:46:03,590 --> 00:46:00,660
the original Black Panthers back in the

1223
00:46:05,090 --> 00:46:03,600
60s like yeah he doesn't like them now

1224
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:05,100
but he said so when somebody wants to

1225
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:07,020
question Sandy Hook or whatever it may

1226
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:07,290
be

1227
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:11,640
of what they do but they don't just have

1228
00:46:15,260 --> 00:46:13,560
the right to do that they they have an

1229
00:46:18,110 --> 00:46:15,270
obligation to look at anything and say

1230
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:18,120
is something wrong here and I thought

1231
00:46:21,620 --> 00:46:19,500
that'd be something you might want to

1232
00:46:23,030 --> 00:46:21,630
talk about with that like an I agree

1233
00:46:25,580 --> 00:46:23,040
every time there's a shooting right

1234
00:46:27,230 --> 00:46:25,590
false flag people come out of the

1235
00:46:29,150 --> 00:46:27,240
woodwork and say false flag even when

1236
00:46:32,300 --> 00:46:29,160
there's no evidence of it sometimes

1237
00:46:33,740 --> 00:46:32,310
though I like with parkland I think it

1238
00:46:35,090 --> 00:46:33,750
was there were reports some people

1239
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:35,100
saying there were three shooters and

1240
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:36,510
things like that I was talking to a

1241
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:37,710
friend of mine the other day and we were

1242
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:39,210
trying to figure out why is that if it's

1243
00:46:40,849 --> 00:46:39,480
not

1244
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:40,859
false-flag why don't we get reports like

1245
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:43,410
that I said could it be people saw the

1246
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:46,020
police come in and they're in black and

1247
00:46:49,790 --> 00:46:47,400
they're actually going after the shooter

1248
00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:49,800
and so people some people misconstrue

1249
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:51,780
that and think there's multiple shooters

1250
00:46:56,359 --> 00:46:54,900
could be yeah I've thought about yeah

1251
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:56,369
that particular question quite a bit

1252
00:46:59,420 --> 00:46:58,020
actually because it's something that

1253
00:47:01,400 --> 00:46:59,430
always happened you always get these

1254
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:01,410
reports and multiple shooters you

1255
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:03,690
remember Sandy Hook they were looking

1256
00:47:07,460 --> 00:47:05,130
for other shooters like there was like a

1257
00:47:10,340 --> 00:47:07,470
man in the water and turned out to be

1258
00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:10,350
just yeah there's no follow-up that's

1259
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:12,270
the problem yeah love that yeah well

1260
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:14,070
they identified the guy and let him go

1261
00:47:16,700 --> 00:47:15,330
because he was like I think one was a

1262
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:16,710
cop was coming through the woods but

1263
00:47:20,990 --> 00:47:18,390
anyway like I think these things always

1264
00:47:22,700 --> 00:47:21,000
happen by every single mass shooting

1265
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:22,710
yeah regardless of what you think about

1266
00:47:28,310 --> 00:47:26,010
it they they starts out with possible

1267
00:47:30,170 --> 00:47:28,320
multiple shooters and he never pens out

1268
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:30,180
is or was just one shooter and I think

1269
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:32,960
the reason for that is kind of an

1270
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:35,490
abundance of caution on the police's

1271
00:47:39,980 --> 00:47:38,130
part the police will always assume that

1272
00:47:41,930 --> 00:47:39,990
a crime scene is going to be active even

1273
00:47:45,109 --> 00:47:41,940
though the shot and killed you know or

1274
00:47:46,849 --> 00:47:45,119
arrested somebody they don't know you

1275
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:46,859
know for a start is this the actual guy

1276
00:47:50,450 --> 00:47:48,540
who did all this shooting earlier and

1277
00:47:51,859 --> 00:47:50,460
they don't know like if there is

1278
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,869
somebody else so they're gonna be saying

1279
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,280
you know what they're looking to see if

1280
00:47:58,670 --> 00:47:55,200
there's another shooter and I think it's

1281
00:48:00,020 --> 00:47:58,680
very very easily for that situation that

1282
00:48:02,150 --> 00:48:00,030
the police are looking for another

1283
00:48:05,020 --> 00:48:02,160
shooter to get interpreted as being

1284
00:48:07,910 --> 00:48:05,030
there is another shooter and then people

1285
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:07,920
yes a chaotic situation people are

1286
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,480
running every every direction the

1287
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:11,400
hearing gunshots gunshots are echoing

1288
00:48:15,770 --> 00:48:14,130
from different places and it can sound

1289
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:15,780
like there's multiple people shooting

1290
00:48:18,590 --> 00:48:17,430
and they could run one way and they

1291
00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:18,600
could hear from somewhere else and they

1292
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:20,130
say like how I heard it over here and

1293
00:48:23,540 --> 00:48:21,450
then I heard it over here

1294
00:48:25,310 --> 00:48:23,550
yeah there's multiple shooters but they

1295
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,320
never pan out and the fact that they

1296
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:27,660
never pan out I think just indicates how

1297
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:30,570
easy it is for people to falsely make

1298
00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:31,650
that assumption that there's multiple

1299
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:35,369
shooters even in the Las Vegas shooting

1300
00:48:40,359 --> 00:48:36,930
you know where the guy was shooting from

1301
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:40,369
the top of I was there one of the hotels

1302
00:48:47,330 --> 00:48:43,890
the cameras cool now anyway through

1303
00:48:50,210 --> 00:48:47,340
there via Mandalay Bay yeah he was

1304
00:48:51,350 --> 00:48:50,220
shooting from he had two hotel rooms and

1305
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:51,360
he was shooting from

1306
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:53,370
and if you listen to the audio of that

1307
00:48:58,280 --> 00:48:55,890
like you hear it's bang bang bang and

1308
00:48:59,900 --> 00:48:58,290
here that's boo boo boo boo and he

1309
00:49:01,550 --> 00:48:59,910
sounds like there's two different sets

1310
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:01,560
of gunshots coming from from different

1311
00:49:05,060 --> 00:49:03,450
places and that's very compelling to

1312
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:05,070
people but when you look at the actual

1313
00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:06,690
timeline what was happening he was like

1314
00:49:10,550 --> 00:49:07,830
first of all he was shooting at the

1315
00:49:12,410 --> 00:49:10,560
crowd and then later he was like he was

1316
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:12,420
shooting at the security guard I think

1317
00:49:18,020 --> 00:49:15,450
it was outside his door so you've got

1318
00:49:19,850 --> 00:49:18,030
this two very very different audio

1319
00:49:21,860 --> 00:49:19,860
things cuz one is out of a window always

1320
00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:21,870
kind of like you know almost down the

1321
00:49:26,510 --> 00:49:24,840
hallway a little bit but because yeah

1322
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:26,520
things like that happen you get these

1323
00:49:31,220 --> 00:49:28,970
these different different types of audio

1324
00:49:32,810 --> 00:49:31,230
it's very very easy for people to think

1325
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:32,820
there's multiple shooters you get things

1326
00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:34,770
like you can see flashes coming from

1327
00:49:38,300 --> 00:49:36,360
other places and people say oh it's

1328
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:38,310
coming from over there yeah they're

1329
00:49:41,330 --> 00:49:39,510
running for their lives they've got no

1330
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:41,340
idea like what's actually going on they

1331
00:49:44,810 --> 00:49:42,570
don't have time to sit there and

1332
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:44,820
carefully analyze where where the shots

1333
00:49:47,630 --> 00:49:46,290
are coming from they just think they

1334
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:47,640
they sort of see something and they

1335
00:49:52,490 --> 00:49:48,570
think that's the shooter

1336
00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:52,500
so I think it's very very easy before it

1337
00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:54,990
to appear to be multiple shooters and

1338
00:50:01,460 --> 00:49:59,820
you can go back to JFK you know the kind

1339
00:50:05,300 --> 00:50:01,470
of mother of all conspiracy theories in

1340
00:50:07,660 --> 00:50:05,310
America and people think that if you

1341
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:07,670
have it in the canvas the eyewitnesses

1342
00:50:14,420 --> 00:50:11,940
in Dealey Plaza and I think it was like

1343
00:50:17,060 --> 00:50:14,430
a certain percentage think that there

1344
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:17,070
was three shots cinema centuries think

1345
00:50:20,090 --> 00:50:18,810
there was more than three shots some of

1346
00:50:21,890 --> 00:50:20,100
them think it was less than three shots

1347
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:21,900
and some of them think it came from over

1348
00:50:25,490 --> 00:50:23,010
here some of them think it came from

1349
00:50:27,290 --> 00:50:25,500
over there so you know even even way

1350
00:50:29,770 --> 00:50:27,300
back then you got the exact same thing

1351
00:50:32,420 --> 00:50:29,780
going on you have a single shooter

1352
00:50:34,370 --> 00:50:32,430
presumably but you've got lots of people

1353
00:50:38,210 --> 00:50:34,380
thinking there are multiple shooters so

1354
00:50:39,380 --> 00:50:38,220
it's gonna happen like that I I agree

1355
00:50:42,590 --> 00:50:39,390
with you generally well you're saying I

1356
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:42,600
think it's overblown but that doesn't

1357
00:50:46,310 --> 00:50:44,610
mean that that I don't think that some

1358
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:46,320
of them are still very interesting I do

1359
00:50:49,610 --> 00:50:47,790
i I've never heard the explanation you

1360
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:49,620
just brought up for Vegas I know Mike

1361
00:50:56,030 --> 00:50:52,010
Adams from natural news he said he did a

1362
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:56,040
audio analysis you know I don't know did

1363
00:51:00,740 --> 00:50:57,570
you look at what he had said I did it

1364
00:51:02,980 --> 00:51:00,750
was it was Mike I remember exactly but

1365
00:51:05,740 --> 00:51:02,990
it was

1366
00:51:07,090 --> 00:51:05,750
yeah okay it's interesting there was

1367
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:07,100
there was one of the guys was involved

1368
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:09,050
he was involved in the second House

1369
00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:11,540
Select Committee thing where that where

1370
00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:13,580
they said there was an audio you know

1371
00:51:18,690 --> 00:51:15,140
they looked at the audience so there but

1372
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:18,700
that yeah he he actually said he saw

1373
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:21,650
autopsy doctoring that he saw this

1374
00:51:25,990 --> 00:51:23,810
firsthand they had covered up a bigger

1375
00:51:27,130 --> 00:51:26,000
hole in his head and whatnot and he

1376
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:27,140
wrote a whole book on it

1377
00:51:32,170 --> 00:51:29,270
again it's what's I think it's right

1378
00:51:33,820 --> 00:51:32,180
here the books called inside the

1379
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:33,830
assassination records review board

1380
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,960
inside the government's final attempt to

1381
00:51:40,420 --> 00:51:37,520
reconcile the conflicting medical

1382
00:51:41,950 --> 00:51:40,430
evidence Douglas P Horne yeah he says

1383
00:51:44,530 --> 00:51:41,960
you've actually seen doctored evidence

1384
00:51:46,300 --> 00:51:44,540
of doctor an autopsy stuff and it was

1385
00:51:47,740 --> 00:51:46,310
one of the best Gators that's an

1386
00:51:49,630 --> 00:51:47,750
interesting case because there no matter

1387
00:51:52,420 --> 00:51:49,640
what you think in a second was a second

1388
00:51:56,170 --> 00:51:52,430
investigation yes and they said that

1389
00:52:00,850 --> 00:51:56,180
there was a conspiracy yeah and actually

1390
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:00,860
kind of you know it's JFK was in a way

1391
00:52:04,690 --> 00:52:02,650
that the start of the interest and

1392
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:04,700
conspiracy theories and the the term

1393
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:07,130
conspiracy theories started to come into

1394
00:52:11,530 --> 00:52:08,930
popularity around then you know some

1395
00:52:13,390 --> 00:52:11,540
people think that the CIA invented it

1396
00:52:15,700 --> 00:52:13,400
but he actually kind of slowly seemed to

1397
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:15,710
know from that document well yeah I

1398
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:17,450
write about that in my book and I

1399
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:19,490
investigated that a lot and if you read

1400
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:21,200
the document they never actually tell

1401
00:52:24,490 --> 00:52:22,850
you to use the word conspiracy theory

1402
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:24,500
they just simply used it themselves and

1403
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:25,970
they say what you should do with

1404
00:52:29,590 --> 00:52:27,410
conspiracy theories is you should attack

1405
00:52:31,300 --> 00:52:29,600
their arguments and try to discredit

1406
00:52:33,550 --> 00:52:31,310
them by showing that they are wrong they

1407
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:33,560
don't actually say call them conspiracy

1408
00:52:37,660 --> 00:52:36,170
theorists they just they just use the

1409
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:37,670
term in the same way that other people

1410
00:52:42,310 --> 00:52:40,640
actually use the term at the time you

1411
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:42,320
know it started if you look at a graph

1412
00:52:47,070 --> 00:52:45,000
of the usage of the term in newspapers

1413
00:52:50,110 --> 00:52:47,080
[Music]

1414
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:50,120
had suggested it to for use of their

1415
00:52:56,170 --> 00:52:54,650
assets in the media now the media though

1416
00:52:58,420 --> 00:52:56,180
that came out in the recent JFK yeah

1417
00:53:00,790 --> 00:52:58,430
yeah yeah they did what any journalists

1418
00:53:02,830 --> 00:53:00,800
that were working fairly directly for

1419
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:02,840
yeah yeah it's interesting thing like

1420
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,570
you know the propaganda arm of the

1421
00:53:09,820 --> 00:53:07,520
government essentially way to what

1422
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:09,830
extent does that exists you know I used

1423
00:53:15,860 --> 00:53:13,520
to be a game programmer and I know

1424
00:53:17,630 --> 00:53:15,870
people that do video games that are army

1425
00:53:22,370 --> 00:53:17,640
based video games they kind of work with

1426
00:53:23,690 --> 00:53:22,380
the army in some cases to you make the

1427
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:23,700
games more realistic but they're also

1428
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:25,770
leading with the army and it's like is

1429
00:53:30,050 --> 00:53:27,690
this a little bit of propaganda coming

1430
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:30,060
through in video games you know to what

1431
00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:32,910
extent is that everything going on I'm

1432
00:53:36,590 --> 00:53:34,140
kind of suspicious of anything that's

1433
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:36,600
involving the military in terms of you

1434
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:38,130
know their motivations for what they are

1435
00:53:42,980 --> 00:53:41,280
doing but you know that's kind of

1436
00:53:43,550 --> 00:53:42,990
getting into a broader topic so I really

1437
00:53:45,110 --> 00:53:43,560
quickly

1438
00:53:51,770 --> 00:53:45,120
something you mentioned earlier was

1439
00:53:55,220 --> 00:53:51,780
sound analysis and that remind me of you

1440
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:55,230
know Tony's Ambati it is a guy

1441
00:53:59,600 --> 00:53:57,410
architects engineers for 9/11 truth and

1442
00:54:02,600 --> 00:53:59,610
we were having a big discussion with him

1443
00:54:06,110 --> 00:54:02,610
on Medibank where he had done some sound

1444
00:54:09,770 --> 00:54:06,120
analysis of the plas go building

1445
00:54:11,390 --> 00:54:09,780
collapse in iran this was this building

1446
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:11,400
it was seen about half the height of the

1447
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:13,500
building seven I think if that it was

1448
00:54:18,170 --> 00:54:15,330
only like 15 years because it was

1449
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,180
collapsed from fire and Tony thought

1450
00:54:22,130 --> 00:54:20,400
that he did this this sound analysis

1451
00:54:25,310 --> 00:54:22,140
that proved that there were explosions

1452
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:25,320
going on the yeah we looked into that in

1453
00:54:30,770 --> 00:54:27,510
a lot of detail and they turned out his

1454
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:30,780
his analysis was completely bogus but

1455
00:54:34,820 --> 00:54:33,000
you know what's what's your opinion of

1456
00:54:36,830 --> 00:54:34,830
the the whole PLAs go things this but

1457
00:54:39,050 --> 00:54:36,840
this building in Aram this an was an old

1458
00:54:40,550 --> 00:54:39,060
building it have you know bunch of

1459
00:54:42,650 --> 00:54:40,560
people living it or you know having

1460
00:54:44,870 --> 00:54:42,660
shops in it and there was a fire and

1461
00:54:47,300 --> 00:54:44,880
it's somebody collapsed and something's

1462
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,310
about it looks very similar to both

1463
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:48,960
World Trade Center seven and the tower

1464
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:52,140
collapses so when you think about it I

1465
00:54:55,970 --> 00:54:54,270
know what the truth movements view is on

1466
00:54:59,240 --> 00:54:55,980
it I've put that out there for people to

1467
00:55:01,430 --> 00:54:59,250
look at I and I mean generally speaking

1468
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:01,440
with the viewers but I don't I think

1469
00:55:05,180 --> 00:55:02,640
there's evidence that that building

1470
00:55:06,860 --> 00:55:05,190
wasn't built very well which is probably

1471
00:55:08,690 --> 00:55:06,870
and it might it might a lack shear studs

1472
00:55:10,070 --> 00:55:08,700
as they thought World Trade Center seven

1473
00:55:12,620 --> 00:55:10,080
did or set it to it even though I don't

1474
00:55:14,930 --> 00:55:12,630
think there's evidence of that so it can

1475
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:14,940
very well just be a natural collapse but

1476
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:15,960
I would think it's because of poor

1477
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,450
design and that's probably something

1478
00:55:23,210 --> 00:55:19,920
that might be quite prevalent in Iran

1479
00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:23,220
might guess I don't know yes yeah I

1480
00:55:27,940 --> 00:55:25,880
think it was pre-revolution Iran which

1481
00:55:29,890 --> 00:55:27,950
perhaps better building codes but it's

1482
00:55:33,070 --> 00:55:29,900
uh well build better building codes but

1483
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:33,080
it fallen into disrepair I think Truman

1484
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:34,640
wasn't yeah I think there was some

1485
00:55:38,050 --> 00:55:36,050
reports about that and then other people

1486
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:38,060
have I I'm pretty sure I saw somebody

1487
00:55:41,530 --> 00:55:39,770
say that there was reason to think that

1488
00:55:44,380 --> 00:55:41,540
it probably didn't have good shear studs

1489
00:55:46,090 --> 00:55:44,390
and there was reports from officials

1490
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:46,100
there that wasn't that great of shape

1491
00:55:51,850 --> 00:55:49,850
yeah all that it didn't fall that fast I

1492
00:55:53,980 --> 00:55:51,860
don't think it particularly particularly

1493
00:55:56,650 --> 00:55:53,990
for help for house small the building it

1494
00:55:58,210 --> 00:55:56,660
was on yeah there was molten metal

1495
00:56:01,690 --> 00:55:58,220
apparently and yeah there are things

1496
00:56:03,550 --> 00:56:01,700
that look like squibs so that said this

1497
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:03,560
creates a lot of problems in a way if it

1498
00:56:08,740 --> 00:56:05,210
was actually a natural collapse because

1499
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:08,750
it's then if this evidence like a molten

1500
00:56:12,340 --> 00:56:10,730
metal molten looking what looks like

1501
00:56:14,620 --> 00:56:12,350
molten metal we don't know much about

1502
00:56:16,060 --> 00:56:14,630
what's there no I mean we know a whole

1503
00:56:17,830 --> 00:56:16,070
lot more about what was found at World

1504
00:56:20,290 --> 00:56:17,840
Trade Center at the World Trade Center

1505
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:20,300
and the conditions and everything so I

1506
00:56:25,890 --> 00:56:22,490
mean the the fires at Ground Zero burned

1507
00:56:27,910 --> 00:56:25,900
for a hundred days I don't you know a

1508
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:27,920
lot of people think that's odd that they

1509
00:56:32,110 --> 00:56:30,050
burned that long but even burning out

1510
00:56:33,940 --> 00:56:32,120
you would understand why that could

1511
00:56:35,350 --> 00:56:33,950
create more molten metal but yeah why

1512
00:56:38,020 --> 00:56:35,360
why would it happen that quickly there

1513
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:38,030
but what kind of metal is it and what's

1514
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:40,370
a metal I mean we've got this crappy low

1515
00:56:45,790 --> 00:56:43,280
resolution video of like a excavator

1516
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:45,800
taking something out that's glowing do

1517
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:49,190
you you mean it in Iran or in Iran yeah

1518
00:56:54,340 --> 00:56:52,010
yeah so is do you think there wasn't

1519
00:56:58,060 --> 00:56:54,350
then perhaps or no I don't think this

1520
00:57:00,490 --> 00:56:58,070
molten steel okay in either case cuz

1521
00:57:02,170 --> 00:57:00,500
fire either case yeah neither case I

1522
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:02,180
don't think the fire burns hard enough

1523
00:57:09,220 --> 00:57:05,330
to burn steel to melt melt steel into a

1524
00:57:11,350 --> 00:57:09,230
liquid form and you know if it did like

1525
00:57:17,830 --> 00:57:11,360
it's not gonna be there let's assume

1526
00:57:20,890 --> 00:57:17,840
let's just fire yeah exactly yeah that's

1527
00:57:22,660 --> 00:57:20,900
that's I don't really buy this molten

1528
00:57:26,470 --> 00:57:22,670
concrete idea either because conve

1529
00:57:30,490 --> 00:57:26,480
that's yeah they say to but concrete

1530
00:57:32,350 --> 00:57:30,500
encased a gun people use the term melted

1531
00:57:32,980 --> 00:57:32,360
and molten to refer to a whole bunch of

1532
00:57:36,460 --> 00:57:32,990
things

1533
00:57:39,370 --> 00:57:36,470
the end it's well I won't dig in the

1534
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:39,380
weeds with you god no no thank you

1535
00:57:43,390 --> 00:57:41,420
go on for hours discussing this type of

1536
00:57:45,190 --> 00:57:43,400
thing countering the criticism of the

1537
00:57:47,289 --> 00:57:45,200
Warren Report they do say employing

1538
00:57:48,490 --> 00:57:47,299
property assets dancer refute the

1539
00:57:50,980 --> 00:57:48,500
attacks of critics so they don't just

1540
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:50,990
say take on these conspiracy theories

1541
00:57:57,370 --> 00:57:55,130
they say propaganda assets should do

1542
00:58:00,519 --> 00:57:57,380
this but they don't say call them

1543
00:58:02,289 --> 00:58:00,529
conspiracy theorists so I'll concede

1544
00:58:03,700 --> 00:58:02,299
that I don't see that in my notes here

1545
00:58:05,099 --> 00:58:03,710
when I talked about it before I guess

1546
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:05,109
that's just something I've kind of

1547
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:07,490
latched on to assuming over the years or

1548
00:58:17,620 --> 00:58:14,690
perhaps look about it where it's cold

1549
00:58:21,069 --> 00:58:17,630
maybe conspiracy theory but the guy

1550
00:58:23,019 --> 00:58:21,079
basically makes the claim that they do

1551
00:58:25,930 --> 00:58:23,029
tell you to use the word conspiracy

1552
00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:25,940
theory but because they knew this this

1553
00:58:31,870 --> 00:58:28,670
this memo would come out eventually they

1554
00:58:34,150 --> 00:58:31,880
kind of did it in code well so this

1555
00:58:38,559 --> 00:58:34,160
question it was that term used before

1556
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:38,569
then or yeah yeah yeah may I race in

1557
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:40,400
spirity Terrace do people refer to

1558
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:42,170
things like that before or was there

1559
00:58:47,950 --> 00:58:44,410
even an idea about this before the JFK

1560
00:58:50,529 --> 00:58:47,960
yeah they it was the term conspiracy

1561
00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:50,539
theory was actually synonymous with

1562
00:58:57,150 --> 00:58:53,390
another term called the the devil theory

1563
00:59:01,150 --> 00:58:57,160
and if you look at devil theory and

1564
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:01,160
Goldwater Barry Goldwater you will see

1565
00:59:09,009 --> 00:59:05,440
people referring to Barry Goldwater's

1566
00:59:12,099 --> 00:59:09,019
response to not getting elected as a

1567
00:59:15,009 --> 00:59:12,109
devil theory and as a conspiracy theory

1568
00:59:16,569 --> 00:59:15,019
so it's kind of like a changeover in

1569
00:59:18,999 --> 00:59:16,579
devil theory wasn't super popular back

1570
00:59:21,370 --> 00:59:19,009
then the conspiracy theory was used to

1571
00:59:24,339 --> 00:59:21,380
refer to people usually on the radical

1572
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:24,349
right in America there's a little bit of

1573
00:59:27,130 --> 00:59:25,849
research on it I discussed this in my

1574
00:59:28,839 --> 00:59:27,140
book I'm not trying to get you to buy my

1575
00:59:30,279 --> 00:59:28,849
book or anything but I do have a whole

1576
00:59:31,870 --> 00:59:30,289
chapter the first chapter is called the

1577
00:59:33,670 --> 00:59:31,880
conspiracy theory conspiracy theory

1578
00:59:37,569 --> 00:59:33,680
where I look at the history of the term

1579
00:59:39,759 --> 00:59:37,579
and yeah it was it wasn't very common

1580
00:59:41,999 --> 00:59:39,769
and I think it really was the the death

1581
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:42,009
of JFK and all the theories around that

1582
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:44,930
that popularized the term because he

1583
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:47,599
wasn't just that the media was in the

1584
00:59:50,589 --> 00:59:49,250
media wasn't trying to discredit people

1585
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:50,599
the media was describing what was

1586
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:52,250
happening and what was happening at that

1587
00:59:56,049 --> 00:59:53,119
time was their world

1588
00:59:57,940 --> 00:59:56,059
lots of theories about a conspiracy so

1589
01:00:00,640 --> 00:59:57,950
you got a you know kept refer to these

1590
01:00:02,289 --> 01:00:00,650
these theories in some way you know what

1591
01:00:05,039 --> 01:00:02,299
so what the me just going to do there's

1592
01:00:07,210 --> 01:00:05,049
lots of theories of conspiracy around

1593
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,220
jet the JFK death there's lots of

1594
01:00:10,420 --> 01:00:09,200
conspiracy theories around the JFK death

1595
01:00:12,940 --> 01:00:10,430
and then naturally it's conspiracy

1596
01:00:13,299 --> 01:00:12,950
theorists but yeah he did really start

1597
01:00:18,430 --> 01:00:13,309
there

1598
01:00:20,589 --> 01:00:18,440
it peaked a bit I think after the the

1599
01:00:23,019 --> 01:00:20,599
second report came out there was another

1600
01:00:26,019 --> 01:00:23,029
fairly big peak around there was a small

1601
01:00:29,039 --> 01:00:26,029
peak around Robert Kennedy's death then

1602
01:00:32,019 --> 01:00:29,049
there was a big peak around Watergate

1603
01:00:33,430 --> 01:00:32,029
because the term was used there because

1604
01:00:34,989 --> 01:00:33,440
there was lots of speculation about what

1605
01:00:36,730 --> 01:00:34,999
actually happened and I think people

1606
01:00:38,829 --> 01:00:36,740
were those it's all conspiracy or

1607
01:00:40,930 --> 01:00:38,839
conspiracy theory especially theory yeah

1608
01:00:43,359 --> 01:00:40,940
one great but it does have derogatory

1609
01:00:45,009 --> 01:00:43,369
connotation it is not ledo's any

1610
01:00:46,870 --> 01:00:45,019
definite maybe it's wearing off a little

1611
01:00:48,489 --> 01:00:46,880
bit though I mean I got a thank you like

1612
01:00:50,049 --> 01:00:48,499
the mainstream media is barely even

1613
01:00:52,210 --> 01:00:50,059
talked about the hills II report I think

1614
01:00:53,890 --> 01:00:52,220
it's worthy to be talked about and I say

1615
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:53,900
look at least Nicolas is talking about

1616
01:00:59,710 --> 01:00:57,650
you know most of them there was a CBS

1617
01:01:00,970 --> 01:00:59,720
affiliate that just picked it up and I

1618
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:00,980
think some of this has taken a little

1619
01:01:05,049 --> 01:01:02,690
while even Infowars took two days to

1620
01:01:07,239 --> 01:01:05,059
pick it up and part of that might be

1621
01:01:09,759 --> 01:01:07,249
confusion that they they kind of

1622
01:01:11,890 --> 01:01:09,769
released this before like in 2017 but

1623
01:01:13,299 --> 01:01:11,900
not all of it is no confused I was

1624
01:01:16,089 --> 01:01:13,309
looking on YouTube and I thought I'm

1625
01:01:17,380 --> 01:01:16,099
most looking at the the currents like

1626
01:01:20,470 --> 01:01:17,390
presentation I was actually looking at

1627
01:01:24,009 --> 01:01:20,480
the one from 2017 yeah they look so

1628
01:01:25,749 --> 01:01:24,019
similar but ya know I think I think it

1629
01:01:27,970 --> 01:01:25,759
will get more publicity but simply

1630
01:01:29,529 --> 01:01:27,980
because it's being pushed by architects

1631
01:01:32,229 --> 01:01:29,539
engineers for 9/11 truth as being this

1632
01:01:35,470 --> 01:01:32,239
this holy grail type thing and and

1633
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:35,480
everyone's who's you know a good you

1634
01:01:39,489 --> 01:01:38,089
know who's really into 9/11 truth it's

1635
01:01:41,529 --> 01:01:39,499
gonna be saying oh look a university

1636
01:01:42,849 --> 01:01:41,539
professor has proved that fire could not

1637
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:42,859
of course the collapse and I'll just

1638
01:01:47,799 --> 01:01:45,650
point to which you're just we out we're

1639
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:47,809
looking at the details I think but I

1640
01:01:50,739 --> 01:01:49,130
think I have identified a few problems

1641
01:01:53,499 --> 01:01:50,749
with this which which will probably play

1642
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:53,509
out over the next weeks and months and

1643
01:01:59,079 --> 01:01:55,640
maybe we'll come out with a revised

1644
01:02:00,999 --> 01:01:59,089
report but we'll see I'll keep an eye on

1645
01:02:04,839 --> 01:02:01,009
you a lot of people are giving you a lot

1646
01:02:09,460 --> 01:02:06,460
you got your debunker debunkers trying

1647
01:02:11,469 --> 01:02:09,470
hard at you there at YouTube now like

1648
01:02:14,259 --> 01:02:11,479
like Adam told you I've got 100% that

1649
01:02:16,660 --> 01:02:14,269
the towers were and controlled

1650
01:02:19,539 --> 01:02:16,670
demolitions especially not more so I

1651
01:02:21,670 --> 01:02:19,549
believe with building seven even with

1652
01:02:23,289 --> 01:02:21,680
that who knows what the truth could be

1653
01:02:24,700 --> 01:02:23,299
it could be people to add prior

1654
01:02:26,469 --> 01:02:24,710
knowledge and them insurance scam I

1655
01:02:28,450 --> 01:02:26,479
don't know I don't know the truth wonder

1656
01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:28,460
percent I just want to find it I do look

1657
01:02:33,160 --> 01:02:31,670
at 9/11 as a cumulative case of is there

1658
01:02:35,019 --> 01:02:33,170
something more is there something wrong

1659
01:02:37,630 --> 01:02:35,029
and that's why I do I do focus attention

1660
01:02:40,329 --> 01:02:37,640
on NORAD and the for knowledge and

1661
01:02:42,190 --> 01:02:40,339
whistleblowers and you know the family

1662
01:02:43,809 --> 01:02:42,200
members having seven seventy percent of

1663
01:02:45,549 --> 01:02:43,819
their questions not adequately answer at

1664
01:02:48,609 --> 01:02:45,559
least to what they thought would be

1665
01:02:51,279 --> 01:02:48,619
adequate by the Commission I've always

1666
01:02:53,499 --> 01:02:51,289
found to not be you know that's not

1667
01:02:55,299 --> 01:02:53,509
satisfactory to me and then you can look

1668
01:02:58,180 --> 01:02:55,309
at Bill Doyle he went on the Alex Jones

1669
01:03:00,789 --> 01:02:58,190
Show in 2006 he has a 9/11 victims

1670
01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:00,799
family network of 7,000 people he said

1671
01:03:05,140 --> 01:03:03,289
he talked to most if not all of them and

1672
01:03:07,029 --> 01:03:05,150
he would estimate that half of them at

1673
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:07,039
least believe there was some kind of

1674
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:09,680
inside job elements 9/11 so if that's

1675
01:03:15,009 --> 01:03:11,930
true you're talking as many people that

1676
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:15,019
died that day as you know there are that

1677
01:03:19,569 --> 01:03:17,210
many family members are more that that

1678
01:03:22,989 --> 01:03:19,579
have user at least somewhat in line with

1679
01:03:24,700 --> 01:03:22,999
mine so yeah well it says a lot of

1680
01:03:27,459 --> 01:03:24,710
people believe that something suspicious

1681
01:03:30,849 --> 01:03:27,469
happened on 9/11 to one degree or

1682
01:03:33,579 --> 01:03:30,859
another and the questions are gonna

1683
01:03:35,170 --> 01:03:33,589
persist for a very very long time yeah

1684
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:35,180
and we were getting like I said we're

1685
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:36,650
gonna long ways away from this like you

1686
01:03:40,690 --> 01:03:38,089
said it didn't read some life into it

1687
01:03:42,059 --> 01:03:40,700
with with this new report but you're

1688
01:03:44,950 --> 01:03:42,069
still gonna continue on with

1689
01:03:46,719 --> 01:03:44,960
everything's a false flag and and I got

1690
01:03:48,729 --> 01:03:46,729
your points perfectly that you made

1691
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:48,739
about the shootings I wish people would

1692
01:03:52,239 --> 01:03:50,450
take that to heart that you have to be

1693
01:03:55,269 --> 01:03:52,249
careful everybody should not careful as

1694
01:03:58,839 --> 01:03:55,279
can be but there's things you know even

1695
01:04:00,430 --> 01:03:58,849
like I there are times when there are

1696
01:04:01,930 --> 01:04:00,440
reports of multiple shooters where the

1697
01:04:03,700 --> 01:04:01,940
people say they actually saw these

1698
01:04:05,739 --> 01:04:03,710
shooters yeah that's when I wonder did

1699
01:04:08,920 --> 01:04:05,749
they see police and get pain used or

1700
01:04:10,390 --> 01:04:08,930
something there's no right angle well

1701
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:10,400
like the one girl she said she was with

1702
01:04:15,789 --> 01:04:14,210
the shooter I think I think was Nick

1703
01:04:16,959 --> 01:04:15,799
Nicholas Cruz one of these guys I don't

1704
01:04:18,190 --> 01:04:16,969
care what their names are me shouldn't

1705
01:04:19,540 --> 01:04:18,200
even say them she

1706
01:04:21,579 --> 01:04:19,550
said she was with him when she heard

1707
01:04:23,170 --> 01:04:21,589
shots from somewhere else I don't know

1708
01:04:25,690 --> 01:04:23,180
though why would she say that what she

1709
01:04:28,630 --> 01:04:25,700
lied to protect him or you know yeah I'm

1710
01:04:30,609 --> 01:04:28,640
not familiar with it that she said she

1711
01:04:33,370 --> 01:04:30,619
was walking down the hallway with him

1712
01:04:35,680 --> 01:04:33,380
when shots came from the other end of

1713
01:04:38,980 --> 01:04:35,690
the school so I mean it's hard to

1714
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:38,990
mistake what she's saying but but if you

1715
01:04:46,510 --> 01:04:42,290
know it's testimony yeah because I

1716
01:04:49,150 --> 01:04:46,520
thought someone's wrong who knows what

1717
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:49,160
what what's going through her mind you

1718
01:04:53,530 --> 01:04:51,410
know what she actually saw and why she

1719
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:53,540
she either she's obviously either lying

1720
01:04:56,829 --> 01:04:55,130
she was mistaken no she's telling the

1721
01:04:58,540 --> 01:04:56,839
truth so you got those three

1722
01:04:59,589 --> 01:04:58,550
possibilities and you could like Rankin

1723
01:05:03,660 --> 01:04:59,599
what's the most likely thing that

1724
01:05:05,650 --> 01:05:03,670
happened that start like being I guess

1725
01:05:07,839 --> 01:05:05,660
charitable and say that she was mistaken

1726
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:07,849
and she was confused after the fact

1727
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:09,530
because she was so traumatic and she was

1728
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:12,410
mistaking things and then maybe she was

1729
01:05:16,150 --> 01:05:13,910
like you said making it up to cover for

1730
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:16,160
him and then a much less likely

1731
01:05:19,839 --> 01:05:17,839
possibility but yeah I never liked to

1732
01:05:21,190 --> 01:05:19,849
take things off the list as that she's

1733
01:05:24,069 --> 01:05:21,200
telling the truth and that was this this

1734
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:24,079
big there was something else going on in

1735
01:05:28,300 --> 01:05:26,690
addition oh yeah maybe there was just

1736
01:05:29,589 --> 01:05:28,310
some my generic car backfiring or

1737
01:05:31,359 --> 01:05:29,599
something

1738
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:31,369
so hey I guess you're gonna keep doing

1739
01:05:35,470 --> 01:05:33,530
this type of 9/11 truth you're still

1740
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:35,480
he's still active or you're feeling a

1741
01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:37,510
feeling of it a debunk it fatigue or

1742
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:41,690
truth Appetit guys I look down and look

1743
01:05:45,010 --> 01:05:43,520
a u.s. atom dislike would you recommend

1744
01:05:46,839 --> 01:05:45,020
this to other people I wanted to answer

1745
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:46,849
that myself too because the answer is

1746
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:48,700
not necessarily

1747
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,930
you could call you could call going

1748
01:05:54,910 --> 01:05:52,640
after government corruption and things

1749
01:05:58,349 --> 01:05:54,920
courageous you could also understand

1750
01:06:01,089 --> 01:05:58,359
that being you know having uh having a

1751
01:06:02,470 --> 01:06:01,099
basically uh being fearless and being

1752
01:06:05,339 --> 01:06:02,480
courageous they're very similar to being

1753
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:05,349
stupid if you're gonna do these things

1754
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:06,770
take it easy

1755
01:06:12,430 --> 01:06:09,170
do it in bits and pieces don't obsess on

1756
01:06:13,660 --> 01:06:12,440
it don't make it your life look if you

1757
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:13,670
think there's government corruption and

1758
01:06:18,339 --> 01:06:15,650
you want to fight it you could take the

1759
01:06:19,839 --> 01:06:18,349
that's a that's a way to go about it but

1760
01:06:21,099 --> 01:06:19,849
you could also go but I but what's the

1761
01:06:22,510 --> 01:06:21,109
point why would I do that because I want

1762
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:22,520
to bring I want to make the world a

1763
01:06:25,390 --> 01:06:23,690
better place for instance that's why I

1764
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:25,400
do what I do well you could also you

1765
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,930
could focus on the negative and try to

1766
01:06:29,829 --> 01:06:28,640
fight it or you could go well there's

1767
01:06:31,410 --> 01:06:29,839
this politician that I like and he's

1768
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,420
trying to bring people jobs I think that

1769
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:33,280
good thing so I'm gonna focus on him and

1770
01:06:36,660 --> 01:06:35,170
I'm gonna focus on voting that instead

1771
01:06:38,549 --> 01:06:36,670
of fighting the bad I'll promote the

1772
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:38,559
good and it's healthier for you to do

1773
01:06:41,819 --> 01:06:40,540
that really I'm not saying don't do it

1774
01:06:43,410 --> 01:06:41,829
what I'm saying be smart about how you

1775
01:06:45,750 --> 01:06:43,420
do it can't have a psychological effect

1776
01:06:48,120 --> 01:06:45,760
even architects and engineers for 9/11

1777
01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:48,130
truth they have a whole psychology you

1778
01:06:51,630 --> 01:06:50,170
know wing that has warned people against

1779
01:06:53,099 --> 01:06:51,640
this very thing or at least acknowledge

1780
01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:53,109
that that's why a lot of people stay

1781
01:06:57,690 --> 01:06:55,540
away from them and and accept I'm sure

1782
01:06:59,960 --> 01:06:57,700
they do for that reason you know so

1783
01:07:03,000 --> 01:06:59,970
that's my advice if you're gonna do it

1784
01:07:04,829 --> 01:07:03,010
do it sparingly take R&R don't obsess on

1785
01:07:06,569 --> 01:07:04,839
it don't make it alive so will I

1786
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:06,579
continue when there's things to report

1787
01:07:10,410 --> 01:07:08,770
sometimes I blog out it just had it I'm

1788
01:07:12,660 --> 01:07:10,420
just so used to doing it talking about

1789
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:12,670
this but yeah like you said I have like

1790
01:07:16,349 --> 01:07:15,130
30 websites right varying topics and

1791
01:07:18,569 --> 01:07:16,359
that's that's how people should try to

1792
01:07:20,609 --> 01:07:18,579
be you know don't don't spread yourself

1793
01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:20,619
too thin life's too short to focus on

1794
01:07:27,539 --> 01:07:23,980
one thing or one area all the time and

1795
01:07:29,849 --> 01:07:27,549
trying to wheel yeah that's yes

1796
01:07:31,260 --> 01:07:29,859
that's a very good advice I think you

1797
01:07:33,809 --> 01:07:31,270
know it sure like if you think there

1798
01:07:35,910 --> 01:07:33,819
things are important then look into them

1799
01:07:39,299 --> 01:07:35,920
you know where you can actually make a

1800
01:07:40,980 --> 01:07:39,309
change in a way yeah your life can be

1801
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:40,990
improved personally it's like things

1802
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,970
that I think people should focus on but

1803
01:07:45,630 --> 01:07:44,319
I you know because I'm a debunking

1804
01:07:47,549 --> 01:07:45,640
people go I'm gonna be saying I'm trying

1805
01:07:48,630 --> 01:07:47,559
to persuade people not to look in 9/11

1806
01:07:51,450 --> 01:07:48,640
truth but you know if that's your thing

1807
01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:51,460
don't go for it I look into it but you

1808
01:07:54,930 --> 01:07:53,710
know have a life to know I don't you

1809
01:07:56,670 --> 01:07:54,940
know I don't see you as turn to dissuade

1810
01:07:59,069 --> 01:07:56,680
anybody if any always thought that

1811
01:08:01,410 --> 01:07:59,079
markers help to refine the case for what

1812
01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:01,420
we were making like I said you're you're

1813
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:03,460
bringing it up when a lot of mainstream

1814
01:08:08,359 --> 01:08:05,410
news isn't but you're trying to get

1815
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:08,369
people to think critically and you know

1816
01:08:13,740 --> 01:08:10,750
so even if somebody doesn't agree with

1817
01:08:15,180 --> 01:08:13,750
you if it makes them not buy into all

1818
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:15,190
the [\h__\h] that's out there that's

1819
01:08:19,229 --> 01:08:16,810
better sorry because studies show there

1820
01:08:21,329 --> 01:08:19,239
but yeah so no I think what you're doing

1821
01:08:23,340 --> 01:08:21,339
is positive I do thanks yeah I

1822
01:08:25,229 --> 01:08:23,350
appreciate your approach as well like

1823
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:25,239
you know you're not just you know

1824
01:08:27,930 --> 01:08:26,650
pushing one point of view you're trying

1825
01:08:30,030 --> 01:08:27,940
to actually find the truth you know

1826
01:08:31,499 --> 01:08:30,040
we're disagreements on various points

1827
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:31,509
but we also have agreements with various

1828
01:08:37,709 --> 01:08:35,250
points so yeah that's good

1829
01:08:42,090 --> 01:08:37,719
and you're not a Pentagon missile

1830
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,100
missile guy or a Judy stratospheric

1831
01:08:44,669 --> 01:08:44,080
aerosol injections not a big Kentrell

1832
01:08:46,349 --> 01:08:44,679
guy

1833
01:08:48,660 --> 01:08:46,359
one page where I've talked about a page

1834
01:08:50,700 --> 01:08:48,670
it's on your metabolic site yeah John

1835
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:50,710
Brennan when he talked about that I do

1836
01:08:54,689 --> 01:08:53,290
think it's interesting you your whole

1837
01:08:56,939 --> 01:08:54,699
point was that he wasn't talking about

1838
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:56,949
something's going on now yeah look there

1839
01:08:59,910 --> 01:08:58,690
there were people that said well why

1840
01:09:03,380 --> 01:08:59,920
could we trust the government on whether

1841
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:03,390
it's a now I think that's fair enough

1842
01:09:08,789 --> 01:09:06,489
there Jim Marrs is a research researcher

1843
01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:08,799
he said sometimes that contrails will

1844
01:09:14,789 --> 01:09:12,850
appear at in weather conditions or at

1845
01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:14,799
altitudes where they shouldn't you would

1846
01:09:18,809 --> 01:09:17,080
say that's not true at all I would say

1847
01:09:20,999 --> 01:09:18,819
that they might appear to be there's

1848
01:09:22,740 --> 01:09:21,009
actually a real quick there's a couple

1849
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:22,750
of types of contrails there's the the

1850
01:09:27,149 --> 01:09:24,850
exhaust contrails and then there's the

1851
01:09:28,950 --> 01:09:27,159
aerodynamic contrails the aerodynamic

1852
01:09:30,689 --> 01:09:28,960
contrails are the ones that most often I

1853
01:09:33,979 --> 01:09:30,699
think get misinterpreted as being

1854
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:33,989
chemtrails if you look at the videos on

1855
01:09:38,309 --> 01:09:36,190
geoengineering watch.org which is the

1856
01:09:41,930 --> 01:09:38,319
main chemtrails site they share these

1857
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:41,940
videos of undeniable spraying and

1858
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:44,290
they're actually just these videos of

1859
01:09:48,090 --> 01:09:46,210
aerodynamic contrails which is where the

1860
01:09:49,260 --> 01:09:48,100
contour forms over the wing it's not

1861
01:09:51,530 --> 01:09:49,270
actually coming out of the engines it

1862
01:09:53,789 --> 01:09:51,540
forms over the wing and these contrails

1863
01:09:56,220 --> 01:09:53,799
actually occur in different weather

1864
01:10:00,060 --> 01:09:56,230
conditions to engine exhaust contrails

1865
01:10:03,660 --> 01:10:00,070
they can occur at much lower altitudes

1866
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so they can they can occur in locations

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where you quite often don't see

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contrails on flight paths where you

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don't see contrails because the planes

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are normally too low because they're

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coming out of an airport like I will see

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them occasionally on planes leaving

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Sacramento because I'm hoping the hills

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near Sacramento here sit and the thing

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about the weather conditions usually

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what's happening there is that basing

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the weather conditions on what's called

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a sounding like a weather balloon

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basically in weather balloons they

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release them to go up in the air and

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they measure the temperature and

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humidity various points but the problem

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with weather balloons is that they only

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do one every 12 hours usually in most

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sites and that the weather balloon

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stations are separated by at least 200

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miles each so it's almost impossible

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that the precise temperature and

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humidity a weather balloon is measuring

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is really correlated with the

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whether we're that contrail is so it's

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very easy to say yeah this is the

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humidity look at this this sounding and

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this is the plane and it doesn't

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actually work but if you're seeing a

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contrail at the back of the plane that

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means that's actually the best indicator

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of the weather conditions that you can

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have it's almost like a little little

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backwards problem because you know it's

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like the plane itself is demonstrating

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that the conditions are right that

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people will say because of their very

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inaccurate forecasting of the conditions

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that it's not right but then essentially

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there's nothing there but it's a

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difficult thing to explain to people

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there's some good points I get that um

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so you're saying to when people point to

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like they're coming off the entire wing

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they'll point to that being proved that

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it's it's not coming from the engine so

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therefore but you're saying there's that

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there's an explanation for that yeah

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yeah if you look up like aerodynamic and

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rainbow contrails there's there's some

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bring some plastic photographs of them

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but if you just look up doing google

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image search for aerodynamic contrails

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there's a couple of types of aerodynamic

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controls this ones you see when you a

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plane's landing which are the kind of

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the vortexes that come off the wings and

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there's a high altitude ones which are

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actually formed persistent contrails

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which come off the entire wing and is

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like a sheet and then it kind of gets

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killed up in the vortices so it looks a

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01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:22,460
bit like a regular contrail further back

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but it starts out looking kind of like a

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ribbon like a thin flat ribbon earlier

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on sometimes it has color in it because

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of the the way it hits the Sun and the

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way the the water droplets grow which is

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very different to the engine exhaust

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people see these colors and they think

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oh that means chemicals those yeah it's

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it's it's fairly obvious once you

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understand the mechanism of an

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aerodynamic contrail and you look at

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01:12:51,820 --> 01:12:49,430
other examples of aerodynamic contrails

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:51,830
what's going on there's a famous video

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01:12:55,810 --> 01:12:55,250
of a kc-10 I think leading aerodynamic

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01:12:58,840 --> 01:12:55,820
contrails

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:12:58,850
and there's this audio that goes with

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01:13:02,530 --> 01:13:00,410
the video which is actually the pilots

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01:13:04,300 --> 01:13:02,540
and the engineer in the cockpit and

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01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:04,310
they're saying things like you know look

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01:13:07,300 --> 01:13:05,930
at that plate in spring chemtrails good

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01:13:07,840 --> 01:13:07,310
job we're above it we'd be dead right

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01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:07,850
now

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01:13:12,680 --> 01:13:10,530
and it's fairly obvious that they're

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01:13:15,350 --> 01:13:12,690
joking right

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01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:15,360
there was an Italian blogger called

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01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:18,270
tanka enemy and I think he didn't really

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understand that they were joking because

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01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:21,960
he's English isn't his first language

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01:13:30,470 --> 01:13:25,170
and so he presented this as being proof

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01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,480
that they were discussing chemtrails but

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if you look at the actual video now like

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the guy who put it up as putting more

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01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:37,320
videos off of him being his actual kc-10

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01:13:41,180 --> 01:13:39,450
engineer and he said this was just a

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01:13:43,070 --> 01:13:41,190
hoax and here's some other videos and

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01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:43,080
his photos proving me doing this and so

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01:13:46,580 --> 01:13:44,400
yes obviously it was just these

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01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:46,590
aerodynamic contrails but the chemtrail

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01:13:51,020 --> 01:13:48,480
people just cling onto this thing

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01:13:52,730 --> 01:13:51,030
because it's such a nice video of these

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01:13:56,570 --> 01:13:52,740
trails coming off essentially it looks

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01:13:59,000 --> 01:13:56,580
like the entire wing is spraying but

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01:14:00,500 --> 01:13:59,010
it's really just forming this this

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01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,510
control sheet because of the pressure

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01:14:04,580 --> 01:14:03,120
drop over the wing right like I said

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01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:04,590
it's not really one of my big issues I

1976
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:06,810
have a page about it I'll actually edit

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01:14:09,770 --> 01:14:08,400
it a little bit based on some of the

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01:14:11,930 --> 01:14:09,780
things we just talked about but it

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01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:11,940
basically focuses around John Brennan

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01:14:15,530 --> 01:14:13,260
which I do think it's interesting that

1981
01:14:18,230 --> 01:14:15,540
he brought up stratospheric aerosol

1982
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:18,240
injections being used to combat climate

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01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:19,440
change and things like that because that

1984
01:14:22,700 --> 01:14:21,090
is something that some fear is simply

1985
01:14:25,010 --> 01:14:22,710
been bringing in for a while that that's

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01:14:26,750 --> 01:14:25,020
what they're doing well it'll have you

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01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:26,760
heard at it when he heard and David

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01:14:32,450 --> 01:14:30,750
Keith do you know he's perhaps one of

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01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,460
the most famous geoengineering

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01:14:36,710 --> 01:14:35,040
researchers out there and he was written

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01:14:39,340 --> 01:14:36,720
a book called the case for climate

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01:14:43,250 --> 01:14:39,350
engineering he was on The Colbert Report

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01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:43,260
years ago and I actually just had him on

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01:14:49,100 --> 01:14:46,800
my podcast I think by five episodes back

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01:14:51,610 --> 01:14:49,110
and we discussed like basically the

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01:14:54,110 --> 01:14:51,620
current state of climate of

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01:14:56,690 --> 01:14:54,120
geoengineering research and what's being

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01:14:59,960 --> 01:14:56,700
done and he says basically nothing has

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01:15:01,670 --> 01:14:59,970
ever been sprayed out of a plane in in

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01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:01,680
pursuit of climate so in climate

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01:15:06,110 --> 01:15:03,990
modification climate engineering or

2002
01:15:07,280 --> 01:15:06,120
geoengineering so there's really you

2003
01:15:08,420 --> 01:15:07,290
know from his perspective there's

2004
01:15:09,590 --> 01:15:08,430
there's nothing that's going on you

2005
01:15:10,910 --> 01:15:09,600
should you should listen if you're

2006
01:15:13,340 --> 01:15:10,920
interested in that topic like I

2007
01:15:15,830 --> 01:15:13,350
recommend listening to that interview I

2008
01:15:18,890 --> 01:15:15,840
did with him tell us on the rabbit hole

2009
01:15:20,910 --> 01:15:18,900
I think he said it's a 15 maybe I just

2010
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:20,920
check that real quick

2011
01:15:27,900 --> 01:15:24,430
you can get to tftr acecomm or it's just

2012
01:15:30,780 --> 01:15:27,910
you know anywhere I see episode 13 it's

2013
01:15:35,250 --> 01:15:30,790
sandwiched in between having flat earth

2014
01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:35,260
and Planet X which is a strange company

2015
01:15:39,660 --> 01:15:37,000
for professor Keith but yeah it's

2016
01:15:41,610 --> 01:15:39,670
basically there's this the research

2017
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:41,620
isn't there they don't know how to do it

2018
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:43,990
so they couldn't really have been doing

2019
01:15:48,990 --> 01:15:46,090
it 20 years ago because they still don't

2020
01:15:52,230 --> 01:15:49,000
know now how to do it so it's an

2021
01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:52,240
interesting topic there my humors way I

2022
01:15:55,470 --> 01:15:53,830
put on here but they're not real they're

2023
01:15:57,330 --> 01:15:55,480
not real you're crazy I mean they are

2024
01:16:00,150 --> 01:15:57,340
real but but they're good and we haven't

2025
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:00,160
use we certainly haven't used them and

2026
01:16:03,870 --> 01:16:01,930
they wouldn't look like what people are

2027
01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:03,880
putting into as contrails they would you

2028
01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:05,860
wouldn't actually leave trails like that

2029
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:07,540
it would be kind of like they would do a

2030
01:16:10,590 --> 01:16:09,130
haze and it did much higher up in the

2031
01:16:13,020 --> 01:16:10,600
stratosphere most planes don't actually

2032
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:13,030
fly in a stratosphere yeah I saw that

2033
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:14,290
conversation some people were saying

2034
01:16:18,180 --> 01:16:16,210
well well some of them might be visible

2035
01:16:19,860 --> 01:16:18,190
and though the stratosphere the lower

2036
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:19,870
stratosphere and things like that so I

2037
01:16:24,630 --> 01:16:21,730
was looking it was on your site I was

2038
01:16:26,670 --> 01:16:24,640
reading it hey yeah there was a there

2039
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:26,680
was a big discussion about that but does

2040
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:30,250
the what's called I think that's not the

2041
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:33,850
stratopause attachment it's and the

2042
01:16:38,540 --> 01:16:35,050
boundary between the troposphere and the

2043
01:16:43,320 --> 01:16:41,340
yeah yeah I remember wearing that

2044
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:43,330
discussion like years ago do planes fly

2045
01:16:45,660 --> 01:16:44,290
in the stratosphere

2046
01:16:47,370 --> 01:16:45,670
well there's one guy who thought that

2047
01:16:49,080 --> 01:16:47,380
all contrails formed in the stratosphere

2048
01:16:50,820 --> 01:16:49,090
and we were saying no most of them are

2049
01:16:52,620 --> 01:16:50,830
in the troposphere so anyway it's just a

2050
01:16:54,930 --> 01:16:52,630
big a big kind of technical discussion

2051
01:16:56,580 --> 01:16:54,940
that's gonna move really well we kind of

2052
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:56,590
like gone over well over an hour here

2053
01:16:59,280 --> 01:16:57,370
she's been a very interesting

2054
01:17:01,010 --> 01:16:59,290
conversation is anything you want to

2055
01:17:03,630 --> 01:17:01,020
like close out with you know like

2056
01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:03,640
mention your website I'm sure final

2057
01:17:07,710 --> 01:17:06,070
words if people want to go on the

2058
01:17:09,930 --> 01:17:07,720
positive side I'm on the supporter of

2059
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:09,940
President Trump so 2020 elections coming

2060
01:17:14,970 --> 01:17:12,610
up Trump is right blog spot.com I also

2061
01:17:18,390 --> 01:17:14,980
have a huge page called Trump is right

2062
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:18,400
Trump is wrong and a mixed bag so I'm

2063
01:17:22,980 --> 01:17:21,610
pragmatic supporter I tried to criticize

2064
01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,990
him where I think he needs criticizing

2065
01:17:26,190 --> 01:17:25,120
but but I think he's a better choice

2066
01:17:29,490 --> 01:17:26,200
than probably what will get on the other

2067
01:17:31,710 --> 01:17:29,500
side and I'm not a partisan person I may

2068
01:17:33,270 --> 01:17:31,720
be lean a little bit right politically

2069
01:17:33,890 --> 01:17:33,280
but I'm moderate on a lot of things I've

2070
01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:33,900
definitely vote

2071
01:17:37,820 --> 01:17:35,370
you're Democrats I voted for Obama twice

2072
01:17:40,610 --> 01:17:37,830
I'm not happy with those votes but I did

2073
01:17:42,260 --> 01:17:40,620
do it so so yeah I'm not like a hyper

2074
01:17:45,080 --> 01:17:42,270
partisan person so there's that there's

2075
01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:45,090
9/11 debunkers blogspot.com and i'll try

2076
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:47,489
to make some show notes so for this show

2077
01:17:50,870 --> 01:17:49,260
too even if I don't even if you don't

2078
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:50,880
include them people can go to 9/11

2079
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:52,530
debunkers and I'll put this interview up

2080
01:17:57,050 --> 01:17:54,810
and so anything I talked about at least

2081
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:57,060
I'll try to you know put some of the

2082
01:18:01,280 --> 01:17:59,040
material we're on yeah reference cool Oh

2083
01:18:02,899 --> 01:18:01,290
anything you do I'll put on the on the

2084
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:02,909
YouTube thing if I okay look you're

2085
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:05,010
sorry till you can send it to me okay

2086
01:18:09,020 --> 01:18:06,090
yeah that'd be great

2087
01:18:10,910 --> 01:18:09,030
okay well thank you very much very very

2088
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:10,920
interesting again and you know we said

2089
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:12,210
there's lots to talk about we could just

2090
01:18:15,290 --> 01:18:14,130
go on in four hours like nitpicking

2091
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:15,300
these little things

2092
01:18:18,979 --> 01:18:17,370
yeah and it's good because I think like

2093
01:18:20,030 --> 01:18:18,989
you know I tell you things that you

2094
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:20,040
might not know and you tell me things

2095
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:22,170
that I might not know and together we

2096
01:18:25,030 --> 01:18:23,489
kind of synthesize something that's a

2097
01:18:27,110 --> 01:18:25,040
bit closer to the truth

2098
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:27,120
sounds good yeah thanks for having me on